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What dou you mean with more integrated? It is a regular desktop PC with an apu (like is totally common for office PCs, just bigger) and soldered instead of upgradeable ram.

It would be kind of funny, but also very sad, if Apple guys mistook the copying of apple's worst behaviour - producing throwaway devices - as a sign of quality. Though I think we are there for years now with phones, I wouldn't expect such thinking here.



It is fully designed around the limitations of that particular APU and makes the best of it, without being a generic motherboard.


It is "integrated" in the way that the processor is an APU that has specific memory bus requirements. That's all. It is not an integrated software-hardware system that is finetuned, and that board is not any better than a a generic motherboard would be for a regular processor.

My point is that this system is not integrated in the way apple fans usually define the word. I'd claim it is not integrated at all. It is a regular PC (but with soldered ram), which is exactly like framework announced it.

There should be no need to sprinkle some apple marketing bs on that to make it attractive.


I really wish everyone would stop entertaining these borderline crackpot hypotheticals that all rely on the notion of “those damn Apple dummies not getting it!”

It’s absurd.


Thanks, what a nice characterization.

As someone who actually studied human computer interaction, and since I had to work with borderline unuseable macs multiple times in my career now, plus as someone seeing the utter failure of relatives in just using an iPhone (bought since "it is so much easier", now not even able to call from the car system since it is so buggy), the Apple popularity is absolutely a case where you have to look at external factors like social status. And if that translates to "the users are dummies" to you, then that's your interpretation. Plus yes, translating marketing/status concepts like a bogus "integrated" status absolutely is interesting, thus my intent to clarify whether that is really happening here (plus some criticism, admittedly).

Probably not worth it going further into this though, it will only derail.




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