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I think companies get entrenched dysfunction that nobody can conquer.

Apple mice have always been bad.

One button mice were "simpler", but if everybody had to also learn to press control+click it wasn't really one-button.

Ahd how did they ever ship that round mouse you could never orient? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse

By thw way, have you ever tried to use a mighty mouse with an FPS game? It doesn't really work. Most games use one button for fire, the other for zoom. But you have to lift your fire finger off the mouse to click the zoom button.

the magic mouse... even worse.

I won't even go into games and apple, they're bad at that too.

Tesla is going down the same road, removing stalks and everything on the touchscreen.






Apple's eternal failure to make a decent mouse is, without exaggeration, probably the most baffling longstanding technology puzzle in the world to me.

Far from the most important mystery. But, the most baffling.

It's just bizarre because they tend to get other ergo factors right, such as making the best touchpads in the business.

Their 5-year nightmare of bad laptop keyboards was frustrating but at least there was an explanation: it seemed to pretty clearly be an artifact of Ive prioritizing thinness over functionality, and thankfully they belatedly righted themselves. The mouse situation just has no obvious explanation.

One can only imagine that the team responsible for designing the mice is some kind of third-class citizen inside Apple. But like... have the people on that team ever used their own products?!? How does that team use their own crap, and then use a Logitech mouse or even a $12 generic mouse from Amazon, and think they are competitive?


There is no “team responsible for designing the mice.” There is one design team and they design everything.

I'll bet new people go over to ask why the mice are so bad, then get chased away and give up.

I've met and worked with lots of apple developers. Many truly are fighting the good fight. Some are quite good, but wisely can only shrug about some apple-isms. You can only do so much.

But there are a few I've met that ... they are certain apple can do no wrong. sigh.


> But there are a few I've met that ... they are certain apple can do no wrong. sigh.

You will not yet escape them on "Hacker" News.


I doubt it. The core design team is a dozen people. There's nowhere to chase them to.



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