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As a foreigner I cannot comment on this, else I will be rejected at the airport by the ICE.

That's called freedom my friends.



If this is in reference to the French scientist that was denied entry, that was fake news:

  "The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National Laboratory— in violation of a non-disclosure agreement—something he admitted to taking without permission and attempted to conceal.

  Any claim that his removal was based on political beliefs is blatantly false."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/20/french-researcher-den...


That said you better make sure your "papers" are good. Instead of just putting you on the plane and sending you back home, there have been many recent cases of tourists handcuffed and sent to ICE facilities for a couple of days up to a couple of weeks. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/04/12/ice-to...

https://beatofhawaii.com/why-these-hawaii-travelers-were-jai...


There's an huge amount of entitlement from people coming to the US, as if their presence is a gift and they're owed entry uncontested. For decades at this rate everyone just walked all over US customs and immigration. Now that the US is enforcing immigration laws to similar levels as South Korea, Japan, Israel, Switzerland, Vietnam, etc. people are clutching their pearls. Sorry, refils are no longer free. You're not owed free refils because that's how it use to be.


Rejected is somewhat euphemistic, you might be:

- held for an indefinite time without due process and information what you did wrong

- stripped naked and spilled with cold water

- potentially worse, but that depends entirely on the way things are developing on a day-by-day basis

And if someone thinks that won't happen to them because they come from a western country and have a low eumelanin pigmentation level, recent examples show that this does not matter¹. Remember ICE also appears to want to police "illegal ideas" at the border now².

These arbitrary arrests, a disregard for the Rule of Law and the valuation of loyalty to the cause over predictable consequences fit the despotic style that is encouraged in the US from the top down lately. The world would be wise not continue betting all their cards on a crazy horse.

¹: Germany, Feb 2025 – Tourist held 16 days at border, deported without clear reason. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-immigration-detaining-europe... UK, Mar 2025 – Backpacker held 3 weeks at Canada border, no charges. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/tourism-trum... Germany, Mar 2025 – Visitor held 45 days under Visa Waiver, unclear why. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-detention-of-european... Canada, Mar 2025 – Woman with valid visa held 12 days at border. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-immigration-detaining-europe... UK, Mar 2025 – Punk band denied entry, detained at LAX. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/tourism-trum... Germany, Mar 2025 – Green card holder detained at Boston airport. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/22/tourism-trum... Multiple, Mar 2025 – ICE arrested 48 in NM; cause/details unclear. https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-mystery-of-ices-...

²: ICE posted a very "unfortunate" marketing picture recently: https://www.newsweek.com/ice-illegal-ideas-border-security-s...


These should be very few cases in contrast to the number of people traveling into the US.


Yeah, but there is a dark number of cases that don't make it to the media, e.g. I just read by a guy who had a 15k$ cruise ship trip booked from the US and was rejected at the border because they found his flight stop "unusual" he came from Australia and had a stopover in Asia because that was the cheapest flight. He wasn't imprisoned without any legal process, but the number of people rejected without cause ought to be much higher than the number of people who will be detained.

I grew up in a tourism country and the number one rule of tourism is that if you want people to come hospitality goes a long way. A mad-king-leader calling them freeloaders and quoting Napoleon with "He who saves his country, violates no law" and a cult like followership doesn't exactly instill confidence that your rights will be respected when you go there.

The current administration seems to be downright hostile to everybody who isn't a US citizen even if we'd just come to spend our money in the US. Pair that with a lack of basic oversight over your cops/TSA-agents/whatever and suddenly the US just isn't as attractive any more.

Don't get me wrong, I find the US fascinating, but given I am in the middle of Europe, I have many destinations with a friendlier atmosphere and a more reliable political leadership to chose from.


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The reality is more nuanced.

Take China for example. People do criticize the government online all the time. It's just that criticism magically disappears before it reaches critical mass. Generally China does not throw people (Han Chinese, minorities are different) into gulag for posting against the government. They are just constantly censoring and shaping the discussion. Only after they can't contain something they step up. Even then, there is often a phone call first. They try to be efficient.

People have rebel fantasy that US tuns into fascist dictatorship. What really happens is that US turns into illiberal democracy like Hungary. There is constant headwind going against the government or voicing your opinion, you don't get fair treatment and opportunities. Most people just stop resisting when it's somewhat inconvenient. You can still post anything but it is drowned by algorithms.


Genuinely curious: what do you see as the distinction between an illiberal democracy and a fascist dictatorship?

And if there is a significant difference, what stops one becoming the other?


Elections aren't rigged but everything else is rigged, like media is controlled by government or opposition candidates are jailed.

In Russia the elections actually are rigged and China doesn't have elections so they are both dictatorships.

Granted the line between them is fuzzy so it's more helpful to think of it as a spectrum.


I refer to what political scientists write about the subject.

Illiberal democracy (aka electoral authoritarianism, competitive authoritarianism, or soft authoritarianism) is a system with democratic institutions that don't work properly. Opposition can still win but it's not a fair game.

>And if there is a significant difference, what stops one becoming the other?

People. For example, Ukraine was illiberal democracy and Orange Revolution 2004 changed that. Poland was slipping badly but 2023 Polish protests changed things.

Putin started with illiberal democracy and slipped into pure authoritarian eventually, because Russians can't get their shit together.


Situation in Poland wasn't magically fixed by one election. Institutions take years to gain authority. Constitutional court is still a joke, judiciary is split into two warring worlds. Additionally supposedly centrist coalition is running to the right for short-term electoral purposes. (completely ignoring that this run itself shifts public opinion to the right).


People "falling" out of helicopters.


Unless you have a Real Madrid or Michael Jordan tattoo


Which parts would that be? Curious about the standard applied here.


"Other places are 10x worse, you should be grateful to just eat 1 shovel of dirt / week instead of 10"


I mean critics of the Trump administration are still thrown in a max security prison and subjected to forced labor. I get that there isn't a sign on the front calling it a gulag but that distinction isn't particularly important to the people being brutally punished for using their first amendment rights.


Can you provide a single example of someone getting thrown into a maximum-security prison and subjected to forced labor solely for criticizing the Trump administration?


https://www.npr.org/2025/04/11/nx-s1-5361208/mahmoud-khalil-...

> "If Mahmoud can be targeted in this way, simply for speaking out for Palestinians and exercising his constitutionally protected right to free speech, this can happen to anyone over any issue the Trump administration dislikes," said Marc Van Der Hout, one of Khalil's attorneys.

He's currently in Louisiana prison it says which means yes, he's subject to forced prison labor.

https://www.laaclu.org/en/press-releases/aclu-report-finds-i...


He’s not been charged with a crime. He’s not being removed from the country for criticizing Donald Trump. He’s in detention pending removal, which is a civil proceeding, not a criminal one. And he’s certainly not doing any labor there. Not every detention facility in Louisiana is a federal prison for criminals.


Ah, it's a civil gulag not a criminal gulag.


What? So this is freedom of speech? Are you kidding me? As soon as you can't talk about one thing, your whole freedom is *gone*


What about that visiting french scientist that got detained at the border for having criticized Trump on twitter? Is that enough for you to admit your country has a problem or shall we wait until there are literal American gulags? If so, see what's going on in El Salvador.




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