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People didn't have good choices. There was plenty to not like about the Democrats as well. You can argue who is worse, or even if the concerns are valid, but there are plenty of things many people don't like about how the democrats use their power. As such what was a voter to do?

There are a long list of things, and most people are not willing accept that "their side" does anything someone else might not like. Doesn't matter what side. Most people are not even willing to honestly listen to "the other side's" concerns.

Waters of the US. All the various "woke" issues which harms someone who isn't a minority who sees someone less competent getting business (and then calling them racist when the feel cheated). Immigration or China taking all their jobs. The above is what I can think of just off the top of my head that many people feel democrats have messed up on. (I don't not agree with this entire list, but I'm sure people will shoot the messenger anyway...)



This is not a "both sides are bad" issue. Literally one side was openly advertising a culture revolution and remaking the US into a fascist state and the other side was using policies to improve minority participation in institutions. Even if you were completely opposed to "woke" issues, the alternative was voting for a dictator.


Quit shooting the messanger and think. if you cannot understand your ophonents you are no better than them.


>if you cannot understand your ophonents you are no better than them?

Literally no. I don't understand serial killers but I'm better than them and to use a more relevant example, I have limited understanding of some racists but I'm better than them (in that specific case).

Understanding is only useful for engagement but if a person is being manipulated by lies or exaggerations then what am I to do?

Solve a non-existent or exaggerated problem? Tell them their information is wrong?


Why is immigrantion bad, why are illegal immigrants bad?

>the various "woke" issues which harms someone who isn't a minority who sees someone less competent getting business

Do you have evidence this was a widespread problem?

It people are woke, for example Disney decides to put more gay people in movies to promote diversity, what is the government going to do? Why would electing Republicans stop this?


don't ask me - I'm just a messanger who doesn't believe the full message. I've long supported more immigration

what disney does should be their own business. However when a competent person is not allowed to do a job because the government wants a different minoity that hurts me. at best it means that projects are more expensive because there is less competition, at worst someone incompetent is hired and we get junk.


>....As such what was a voter to do?

I contend their dislike of the Democrats is based a meaningful amount on Republican lies and exaggerations.

For example

1. Blaming Biden wholly for inflation via spending even though it was worldwide, Trump also used government spending to attempt to help the economy, and Republicans controlled congress for half his term.

2. Blaming Biden for not fixing inflation which assumes this was possible

3. Blaming all illegal immigrants for the crimes of some. This is the same as blaming all Black people for the crimes committed by some.

4. Lying about election fraud


People may not have had a good choice, but they had an obvious choice. The status quo of a Harris term - even considering the likely negatives, her pandering to the right and pro-Zionist stance - would have been objectively preferable to Trump. What is a voter to do? Not vote for the greater evil because they aren't in love with the lesser evil.


They strongly disagree. This is not a debate here - I didn't vote for Trump for a number of reasons. However I make an effort toiundertand because that is the first step to try to figure out how to win. When you just name call you ensure you lose


The Democrats didn't "just name call," though. They had a platform and everything. Meanwhile no one name calls more than Trump. His party is the party of "fuck your feelings" and "empathy is a sin" after all.


Why are you lowering yourself to the level of name calling and only talking about name calling?


Name calling is when you point out uncomfortable truths.


I'm not, and I haven't.

And even if I did, trying to turn the conversation to me rather than the subject at hand is base trolling. I could call them all shitheads and that still wouldn't be relevant. They didn't vote for Trump because I hurt their feelings, nor did I vote for Kamala Harris because Trump voters hurt my feelings.




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