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>lacks values

I really hated when Fox news would say things like this and I hate it when individuals do. It makes it impossible for us to communicate.

Just because the other side doesn't share your values doesn't mean they have none. You might say their values are evil. That's a different discussion, but they're rarely just reacting blindly.



I didn't say they lacked values. They clearly value authority and order above all else.

I'm saying they lack the values I grew up believing were universal in this country.


> They clearly value authority and order above all else

No, they do not even get to claim order any more. This situation is being escalated by Trump in order to have a raging crisis for him to attack and drive even more division. Just like he did to the 2A/BLM protests, just like he did with the election lies culminating in the J6 protests, just like he did with his appalling anti-leadership throughout Covid. Trump doesn't possess the skills to actually tackle problems. His only real skill is slithering away from blame after he creates chaos and destruction. The fascists' only real value is now naked autocratic "strong" man authoritarianism. And the only reason they're still clinging to caring about the law is to assuage their own egos that the suffering they're reveling in is somehow justified.


I say their values are evil.

They are bad people.

It makes me feel sick as a programmer knowing how many people on this board that values "hacker" anti authoritarianism and curiosity would have the government send the military to shoot their own citizens


I think the bad people are the ones hurting others and destroying property.


I think the bad people are the ones hurting social services, creating terror through police actions and taking billions of dollars in bribes through their cryptocoin while being president.

But yeah, some cars getting destroyed is terrible.


Okay, so if this is the case, then why are you advocating escalating the situation further?

I mean, surely you're not so stupid to legitimately believe the marines are being sent in for "control", right? We all, left, right, and center, understand what this is. Trump news-casting. It's an attempt to make the situation worse for clicks and views, for sensationalism. And it's working quite well!

Even if you think these riots are riots and that they're the bad guys and yadda yadda yadda... okay and why are we sending in the marines to cause more destruction? What's the link there buddy? Do you just want to watch the world burn? Because, honestly, that's kind of fucked up.


I think the bigger picture is the creeping authoritarianism of the administration. Focusing on the actions of a few angry individuals after over the top ICE raids is missing that the administration sent in US troops over the objection of state officials. That Trump is calling the governor scum and suggesting that Democratic officials be arrested. That this sort of justification has happened in Russia, Hungary, El Salvador to consolidate power.


You’re absolutely nitpicking the wrong thing out of context by quoting two words. So many bad faith arguments on here that are so transparent.




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