People talking about the maintenance pain of running Kubernetes have actual customers and are not running their whole infrastructure on 20€/mo.

Anecdotes like these are not helpful.

I have thousands of services I'm running on ~10^5 hosts and all kinds of compliance and contractual requirements to how I maintain my systems. Maintenance pain is a very real table-stakes conversation for people like us.

Your comment is like pure noise in our space.

That's an incredibly self-centred comment. People use Kubernetes for a whole range of reasons - not all of them will align with your own needs.

> People talking about the maintenance pain of running Kubernetes have actual customers and are not running their whole infrastructure on 20€/mo.

You're right: they're using managed Kubernetes instead - which covers 90% of the maintenance complexity.

We are, and it's not 90%. Maybe 75%.

But nowhere near the reductive bullshit comment of "there's no maintenance because my $20/mo stack says so".

How often do you perform version upgrades? Patching of the operation system of the nodes or control plane etc? Things quickly get complex if application uptime / availability is critical.

Yeah, as soon as you got your helm charts and node installers.

Installing is super fast.

We don't do backup of the cluster for example for that reason ( except databases etc) we just reprovision the whole cluster.

> Yeah, as soon as you got your helm charts and node installers.

I believe there's no need to go that path for most applications. A simple kustomize script already handles most of the non-esoteric needs.

Sometimes things are simple of that's how we want them to be.