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It is only a matter of time before they attempt to regulate VPN usage. Here is an article written by a British MP hinting at that:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/onli...



It definitely seems like she’s conflating two issues: access to pornography and child grooming. I don’t see why she thinks regulating VPNs would reduce the latter.


Everyone always does this. Then they conflate mention of LGBT topics with porn so they can equate it with "grooming". Not helped by the UK's anti-trans panic of the last few years (self-ID was such a mainstream idea that it was in the 2018 Tory manifesto)


It does not. As I have said before, pedophilia is rampant on Roblox and Discord. Go monitor those platforms, and hold these platforms responsible, not VPNs. Regulating VPNs will not reduce child grooming, and I am sure they are not stupid enough to actually think it does.


Or, to put it another way, in order to protect the most children, focus your efforts on where the most children actually are, not where you're afraid they might end up.


Pretty much.


She doesnt, she just wants to put in Putin-like levels of control and surveillance for the same reasons Putin does.


Jinping is probably a better comparison.


Jinping would be a better comparison if you wanted to downplay all of this - he's less of a persona non grata.

All 3 like to crack down on free speech and monitor internet traffic for identical reasons though.


Xi is fairly popular in China tho, unlike this "labour" govt.


How would you know? In countries without free speech where anti-government speech is illegal, the only legal speech is pro-government or neutral.


I would know cuz there are independent polls made by western NGOs: https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index


Immaterial how independent they are because it's completely impossible to get honest opinions of repressive regimes. The people within the regime have no real way to know whether a poll response will make it back to the government or not, so they must assume that it will. When the repercussions for having the wrong opinion are that you disappear or find yourself "volunteered" for the front line, it's best to either lie or say you think the leader is a top bloke.

You can watch Youtube videos of citizens refusing to answer contentious questions quite easily. I believe William Spaniel has produced videos (relating to the Russian General Election) where he points this out, too.


When asked in a way where the opinion can't be identified, the support numbers do drop significantly, but the approval is still estimated to be about 50-70%. In western countries governments with clear minority support start to be almost the norm.

UK government approval has surpassed 50% in a handful of polls in over 10 years, and approval peaks are typically immediately after elections before the government starts to implement its policies. The approval is currently 14%.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/government-app...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/arti...


> When asked in a way where the opinion can't be identified, the support numbers do drop significantly

Bear in mind that the person answering the poll still lives in an oppressive regime where wrongthink can get you killed. You spend your whole life training yourself to never say anything bad about the government in public. Would you be able to turn it off?

Also, there’s literally no free press in these countries. The government will get primarily positive coverage whatever they do! The current Labour government could only dream of such coverage!


How can you tell it is a repressive regime? They have elections, a press and they are pretty satisfied about their form of governance, actually much more than their western counterparts.

So let me sum this up. We cannot ask the people. We cannot base ourselves on how their institutions function and how well they perform.

This discussion highlights how westerners suffer from some serious superiority complex where only THEY can experience genuine freedom and democracy(probably due to their superior phenotype or some inane bs), and everything outside of their little group of friends is a masquerade. The issue with that is that westerners disconnect themselves from reality. They are losing ground and it shows.


LOL, who ran against Xi in his last "election"?

Which "free press" runs stories against Xi?

Where is the other half of the bell curve of public opinion that's critical of the CCP?

Yeah they have elections alright, you can vote for any Xi Jingping you want to.


In Switzerland we don't elect our Federal Council, which is our executive branch. A bit like in the UK too. Would you say its what matters in a democracy?


Well Switzerland (being closer than most other countries to a direct democracy) would be the polar opposite of China though?



if people refuse to answer contentious questions about their regime... it's probably repressive.


Germans and Americans refuse to answer contentious questions about the genocide of Palestinian... They also probably live in a repressive regime, right?

(Also I agree with you, Russia is a capitalist dictatorship)


I live in Germany. It's repressive as fuck. Not being repressive in the standard ways isn't the same as not being repressive. You can say you don't like the chancellor or the party all day long, but you can get arrested for even calling the P_________n situation a g______, for saying anything bad about any person (even if true), doing pretty much anything requires a government license, owner-operators have unlimited liability for everything their business does unless they jump through a whole bunch of hoops and put up a $25k bond, and the government still keeps a registry of where every Jew lives just in case they need that again.

Everything interesting mostly flies under the government radar. There's a lot of it.


"Elections in the People's Republic of China occur under a one-party authoritarian political system controlled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Direct elections, except in the special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau, occur only at the local level people's congresses and village committees, with all candidate nominations preapproved by the CCP. By law, all elections at all levels must adhere to the leadership of the CCP."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

> This discussion highlights how westerners suffer from some serious superiority complex where only THEY can experience genuine freedom and democracy(probably due to their superior phenotype or some inane bs)

There is democracy in Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.

Just say, "I'm a tankie and I support Russia's invasion of Ukraine."


> Elections in the People's Republic of China occur under a one-party authoritarian political system controlled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Direct elections, except in the special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau, occur only at the local level people's congresses and village committees, with all candidate nominations preapproved by the CCP. By law, all elections at all levels must adhere to the leadership of the CCP.

I personally see nothing wrong with this. The word "authoritarian" is virtually meaningless. And those local elections are paramount; Locally elected representatives end up electing MPs on the provincial level, then they chose MPs of the National People's Congress. The rest is common sense: just because we are used to "elect" pedophiles, racists and parasites doesn't mean all other countries should do the same.


There were/are people who didn't personally see anything wrong with Stalin et al.

> doesn't mean all other countries should do the same

That's the great part right? If you were in place like that you wouldn't know that you "elected representatives" are any of those things since there would be no free press and exposing them would probably be illegal anyway. Ignorance is bliss, I guess that's one way to experience the world..


Organisations try to measure this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu

> This discussion highlights how westerners suffer from some serious superiority complex where only THEY can experience genuine freedom and democracy(probably due to their superior phenotype or some inane bs)

You are quite literally commenting on a topic where Brits are complaining about our democracy. You will find reams of articles about the problems with western democracies.

However, you're also commenting about countries that quite literally changed our governments in the last year. USA voted in Trump, the UK voted in Labour. Germany just voted in a new party.

China and Russia, the main comparison points, have not changed government since the 90s. This is nothing to do with phenotypes, it's 100% just looking at the facts.


Russia is very similar to the rest of western democracies, so I won't comment further on that.

Regarding China, their leading party hasn't switched in 80 years, but their policies have and have plenty actually. Changing parties matters only a little bit in the grand scheme of things. I'd argue, for example, that Japan, that has been ruled by a single party for all of his modern existence, is still considered by many in the west as a functioning democracy.


> I'd argue, for example, that Japan, that has been ruled

Seems like a somewhat tangential point to make? The people in Japan did get a choice to vote for another party.


> Russia is very similar to the rest of western democracies, so I won't comment further on that.

Ah yes, I recall that famous incident where Keir Starmer had his political opponents thrown out of a window. Oh, wait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_Russia-related_deat...

> Changing parties matters only a little bit in the grand scheme of things.

It's part of the package but clearly not all, as many organisations focused on improving democracy and governance will clearly point out.

> Japan, that has been ruled by a single party for all of his modern existence

Whoops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Japan#Result_in_h...

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In any case, I think all the replies have made my point for me that your dismissal of our rhetoric as based on "western arrogance" are simply nonsense. It's in fact you who's displayed a lack of understanding of those you argue against.


Which is the aim of restricting every information channel and starting the brainwashing in primary school? I'm sure Kim Jong Un is very popular in North Korea, too!


This is an insane take. You'd know this if you had ever talked with a Chinese person before instead of believing the silly propaganda they spread in your "free" press.


I indeed discussed with many young chinese persons while at university and found everyone mostly unaware of the real history of the CCP in the XXth century.

The only ones with a realistic view of what's happening are the sons of the CCP hierarchs, who are emigrating to Canada or Australia.


It's a fair take and I expect that Kim Jong Un truly is very popular in North Korea.


Do they regularly poll British political parties for popularity in China?


It was obvious to everyone that i was talking about the popularity of these govts in their respective countries.


What’s your source for the labour government’s unpopularity? Not that I necessarily think you’re wrong, it’s just more indifference towards them that I see, more of the same etc.


Here's a couple of recent Yougov polls:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52187-political-favou...

"Keir Starmer falls to lowest net favourability rating on record"

"Labour’s popularity hit isn’t merely limited to Keir Starmer, with worst-ever net favourability scores also recorded this month by deputy prime minister Angela Rayner (-31) and home secretary Yvette Cooper (-25), while Rachel Reeves has equalled her -48 net favourability rating recorded in mid-April."

"65% of Britons dislike the Labour Party, the most in the eight years YouGov has been asking the question"


In the Project 2025 documents, the core things that they discuss regarding porn bans are "gender ideology" and "sexualizing children." Banning access to information with lgbt themes is not some incidental part of this but is a core goal of the effort, at least in the US.


I always keep hoping one of these authoritarian measures will kick off a resurgence of a truly uncensorable platform like Freenet or I2P - the big reason they're currently so unusable is mostly lack of participation.


same. as much as i ironically support social media age gating i do hope it creates a new internet frontier for the educated and technologically inclined


> Sarah Champion is Labour MP for Rotherham.

Seriously? You can't make this up: she represents the town that did nothing about a massive (and completely offline) child grooming and molestation network for years and she has the gall to say, "think of the children on the Internet"?


Not sure why you're getting downvoted, this is a classic YooKay 2025 moment


I assume it's because she is quite well known for not taking the grooming gangs' side.


Fair enough, I shouldn't have commented without knowing the full context




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