Sure, but I would say that the current dominant strain took form and its volume got cranked up very noticeably October 8. Which was not a great look, even to those sympathetic to criticisms of Netanyahu.
> Sure, but I would say that the current dominant strain took form and its volume got cranked up very noticeably October 8
So did the genocide itself, which has always been constrained by what Israel thinks they can get away with based on political conditions (mainly in the US, whose active military support, financial aid, and UNSC veto they want to maintain) and the available pretext’s they can hid atrocities behind.
I think we're talking past each other, which feels like the inevitable result whenever I try to engage in good faith on this topic with people that don't quite agree with me disproportionately more often than other topics. It feels like you'll have an answer for everything I could possibly say, which could mean that you're right, or it could mean you spend a lot more time than me having these conversations. It feels very tricky to ever criticize, even in small ways, any aspect of your movement, because there's always a reasonable, coherent reason that any critique should actually have been levelled at Israel, who's fault it actually is. It feels like there's absolutely nothing I could say to provoke you to listen, to hear my point, because you're already so confidently clear on 100% of all of this, and because your goal is to represent your movement's perspective, rather than to truly persuade and communicate. I think when you're (understandably) fervently convinced of your own righteousness, it's quite easy to shut down discussion and to experience it as successfully defending truth and justice.
Do you understand? I'm not, and at no point have I been, discussing or debating facts on the ground in Gaza. I'm making an effort to assume good faith. I am telling you about the experience of people that are "gettable" for your movement, people that largely agree that what's happening is abhorrent, but that are feeling alienated by the dogmatism, and you're telling me why dogmatism is correct. Iinot talking about what's correct, I'm talking about what's successfully persuasive.
