The Israelis (and their suppliers) are the ones with the power to end it. They have chosen this. There are actually other avenues you know. This is entirely on them.
Like, not at all? They tried to withdraw from Gaza, and preferred to educate their population on living under daily rocket attacks just to avoid waging a war in Gaza. It all dragged on with no hope for a permanent peace and culminated in the October massacre.
Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party
They are not Western, but they are a democracy for sure. The extremist minority got into the government by democratic mechanisms - happens in Western democracies too from time to time
Tried to withdraw? Seems like they like things just how they are. (Well except for the part where they want the Palestinians to give up any claims to the land that was stolen from them and just evaporate.)
The result of Israel:
- subjugating Palestinians in a ghetto, controlling everything that goes into and out of Gaza
- preventing Gazans from having their own power, airports, piers, and more, and
- "putting them on a diet", and
- propping up Hamas to have a plausible enemy to fight against in Gaza, and
- occasionally "mowing the lawn" to kill hundreds (or thousands)
is the creation of anti-Israel hatred. Once that boils over, you get what happened, which is the murder and kidnapping of innocent people in Israel.
> Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party
Maybe instead petition Netanyahu et al to stop committing a genocide? They can stop flattening Gaza and starving Gazans at any point. They hold all the cards.
They could stop the current stage of the war, sure. They couldn't achieve peace though - basically stopping the operation would mean reverting to pre Oct. 2023 state with Israel trying to improve their security (aka "blockade") so that it doesn't happen again. Given the recent advances in military practice I would imagine that would involve lots of drones flying over Gaza 24/7 and I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that.
Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace. Not implying that the way current operation is waged is justified though.
Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer.
> I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that
What will they say? (And would they be wrong?) Imprisoning Palestinian refugees is definitely a human rights violation.
> Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace
Not sure why everyone says Israel (the state with all the power in this relationship) is powerless. What do you propose Hamas do to ensure permanent peace?
>The Israelis (and their suppliers) are the ones with the power to end it
Israel cannot unilaterally end hostilities any more than Hamas can.
Peace requires two willing parties.
Israeli people need to remove Bibi the genocider and be willing to concede land and leave Palestine alone
Palestinians need to be willing to evict and eliminate Hamas, run the country in a non oppressive way, and leave Israel alone
Israel can end the genocide it is perpetrating, and then accept more death in a few years when Hamas feels like doing more marketing (which, fyi, is the point of their terrorism: Fundraising). Is that desirable or useful?
Please show me where Hamas has signaled in any way that they would leave Israel alone if Israel completely left Palestine alone. Right now neither side can even manage a token ceasefire. There's no trust, and there's no accountability.
The real question is this: How many dead people are either side willing to accept to work towards lasting peace?
Lasting peace, a solution to the Palestinian horror, requires people willing to give up legitimate grievances from the past. Are Palestinians willing to move on from half of their children starving to death? Lots of Israeli people were willing to protest their own government before October 7th to agitate for less Palestinian oppression. Hamas targeted some of those young adults for that.
> Israel cannot unilaterally end hostilities any more than Hamas can.
They absolutely can! For a moment consider the power differential in this assault. Do not equate Hamas' attacks with Israel's blockade, exploitation, starvation and war crimes of the entire Gazan population. The displaced Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza ghetto don't have war planes, armed drones, and tanks, let alone nukes and billions and billions of aid from allies.
Also, consider Israel has a total blockade of Gaza. Nothing gets in or out without Israel's say so. And we haven't even talked about "the hostilities" of the expanding illegal occupation of the West Bank.
Israel can stop their genocide and starvation today. They can stop further occupying the West Bank today.
> Palestinians need to be willing to evict and eliminate Hamas, run the country in a non oppressive way, and leave Israel alone
Israel's flattening of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. You don't get to starve and murder everyone in Gaza because of Hamas. You don't get to commit genocide. (An intent stated many times by Israeli officials BTW)
> Please show me where Hamas has signaled in any way that they would leave Israel alone if Israel completely left Palestine alone.
Hamas existing or now is irrelevant to Israel starving everyone in Gaza and destroying every building, hospital, school, house, cemetery in it including all the farm land. This is rank inhumanity.
> Right now neither side can even manage a token ceasefire. There's no trust, and there's no accountability.
One side holds all the cards and it's not Hamas nor the civilians in Gaza. IF you want to talk about accountability, maybe the world should actually hold Israel responsible for its actions. Maybe we can get the Israelis to kick the genociders out of its government for a change? (Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben Gvir for starters)
> Are Palestinians willing to move on from half of their children starving to death?
Wait--The Palestinians are blockading themselves?
> Lots of Israeli people were willing to protest their own government before October 7th to agitate for less Palestinian oppression. Hamas targeted some of those young adults for that.
Polling consistently shows Israelis are in favor of what's happening in Gaza.
What do you mean? Trump's plan to end the war, Israel has accepted it. Now Palestinians will probably refuse it. Why refuse the end of the war and the "genocide"?
It's like they demanded a country, but when the country was offered multiple times, they refused it because what they actually want is to destroy Israel and not build their own country.
