I mean.. Werner von Braun wasn't just "sort of a Nazi if you squint real hard", but an ACTUAL Nazi. At some point you need to focus on getting the job done, and not on purity tests and struggle sessions. THAT is why the US once got to the moon, while China starved 40 million of its own people, and the Soviet Union collapsed.
Everyone keeps saying Musk is just handwaving and not an engineer. Why can't we make the same argument about von Braun? The proof is always handwaving, so I don't see how it's different.
I don't need to go watch it. Every single time this comes up, its really easy to see that he has no idea what he is talking about, or at best, he just echoing what he has been told.
Every single time this exact thing happens, its the same story. Musk fans/conservatives get proven wrong, get quiet for a bit, and then act like nothing happened and repeat the same bullshit again.
The reason why that happens is because you don't actually listen to what he has to say. If you truly believed what he said was accurate, you would be able to repeat it, and explain why its accurate in your own words, without referencing anything he said. Instead, you are just simply an ideological fan of his, so no matter how many times he gets proven wrong, its not going to change your mind about him.
Overall in general, he and all the other conservatives have done enough damage to their credibility with straight up lies that are so easily verifiable to such an extent that, its totally fine to just discredit anything the say right off the bat. The onus is on them to provide extraordinary evidence if they wanna convince people otherwise.
> Instead, you are just simply an ideological fan of his, so no matter how many times he gets proven wrong, its not going to change your mind about him.
That's just you repeating confirmation bias again. I am not an ideological fan of Musk. You just assumed so because I said that Musk was correct or competent in some areas.
If I said Hitler was a vegetarian (true btw) and that this is a moral act (also true), does this make me a Nazi? Of course not.
Musk is consistently wrong about so many conspiracy theories it would be laughable if not for the influence he yields.
HOWEVER, we must also be able to accept that sometimes he's actually competent at something. Those are two different things and can both be true.
> Overall in general, he and all the other conservatives have done enough damage to their credibility with straight up lies that are so easily verifiable to such an extent that, its totally fine to just discredit anything the say right off the bat.
See, the issue here is that this logic can also be easily applied to US liberals. You just can't listen to the biggest idiots of a given group and judge the entire group by it, and certainly not ALL behavior of ALL the members of said group.
Because liberals threatened white people that had dreadlock with violence, does this mean I should stop listening to all liberals when they say the sky is blue? See how this logic is crazy?
To make it clear: I am liberal. Not US liberal (I'm Swedish), but I believe in gay rights and the right of abortion for example. I also believe SpaceX is partially great because Musk has done an amazing job. I furthermore believe Musk has done horrible damage by spreading misinformation.
No, the US got to the moon because it cared about engineering and science more than ideology (although MacCarthyr made a good attempt at screwing that up).
