So, orders of magnitude more top notch engineers is not an advantage?
An order of magnitude more VC firms is not an advantage?
The existence of YC is not an advantage?
Order of magnitude more tech oriented events and meetups is not an advantage?
Maybe you meant "for me, personally, for my very specific business, there's no advantage" but maybe you shouldn't make sweeping statements based on what seems like a strongly held opinion and not a reasoned position.
To be clear: I'm not saying that Bay Area is the only place to start a successful startup. Clearly, it isn't.
But just as clearly Bay Area is an epicenter of startups that generates disproportionately large number of successes, both gigantic (which Austin tech company is on the list of 500 biggest US companies, next to Google, Apple, Oracle, Yahoo?) and small.
So either we have some unexplained phenomena that distorts the probability of success here or there are very real advantages to being here.
Well, you chopped off half of what I said and miss-quoted me in the process. I said there was no real advantage to starting an operations/infrastructure-focused company in SF Bay Area. I pointed out that for social, in particular, SF/SV is totally high value.
But, back to operations-orientated (eg infrastructure, etc) startups:
So, orders of magnitude more top notch engineers is not an advantage?
Nope, because such companies have a greater reliance on sysadmins, devops and tech support folks. And there is more talent on that front in Austin (for reasons explained in the OP) than in SF/SV. Also there's no point having an order of magnitude of engineers in SF/SV if you can't afford to hire them. I'm not going to reveal our wage levels but like-for-like they're probably 50-66% that of Bay Area and still highly skilled.
An order of magnitude more VC firms is not an advantage?
Nope, cos Sand Hill Road will still invest in Austin based companies.
The existence of YC is not an advantage?
Nope, YC is nothing to me. I'll never participate as I'm a 31 year old with going on 14 years experience of the industry and been involved in several exits. I'm not a candidate YC entrepreneur.
Order of magnitude more tech oriented events and meetups is not an advantage?
Well, I live in SF so I go all the awesome events and still benefit from being in Austin. What they don't tell you is once your company takes off and you have $MM revenue and a huge team of employees you end up going to less events and start focusing internally.
Maybe you meant "for me, personally, for my very specific business, there's no advantage" but maybe you shouldn't make sweeping statements based on what seems like a strongly held opinion and not a reasoned position.
No, I'm saying for most non-social, non-software-pure-plays, it's a big advantage to get out of Bay Area. I'm sure Austinites would argue further than that. It's not just for me.
which Austin tech company is on the list of 500 biggest US companies, next to Google, Apple, Oracle, Yahoo?
Not sure about Yahoo! (and couldn't care less about Yahoo either) but all of them and Facebook have significant presences in Austin. To answer you question, though, Dell is. I'm not saying that's particularly sexy but you asked the question. I'm not also not sure what your point is here or how it related to startups?
So, orders of magnitude more top notch engineers is not an advantage?
An order of magnitude more VC firms is not an advantage?
The existence of YC is not an advantage?
Order of magnitude more tech oriented events and meetups is not an advantage?
Maybe you meant "for me, personally, for my very specific business, there's no advantage" but maybe you shouldn't make sweeping statements based on what seems like a strongly held opinion and not a reasoned position.
To be clear: I'm not saying that Bay Area is the only place to start a successful startup. Clearly, it isn't.
But just as clearly Bay Area is an epicenter of startups that generates disproportionately large number of successes, both gigantic (which Austin tech company is on the list of 500 biggest US companies, next to Google, Apple, Oracle, Yahoo?) and small.
So either we have some unexplained phenomena that distorts the probability of success here or there are very real advantages to being here.