If there's one thing I've learned in my 35 years on this planet, it's that telling someone they're irrational is not diplomatic.
But it wasn't men you were talking about being diplomatic to, was it? It was women.
I wonder if that diplomacy should also include men, and if so, how do you feel about the way feminists have been vilifying men? Or the way you just did, with your comment about MRA.
> If there's one thing I've learned in my 35 years on this planet,
> it's that telling someone they're irrational is not diplomatic.
Well, you did it first, I just pointed out that we'd all do better by listening to each other and having less certainty of our rationality.
> I wonder if that diplomacy should also include men, and if so,
> how do you feel about the way feminists have been vilifying men?
I feel like it's a bad 'weak men' argument as stated by my two paragraphs I wrote on it referring to the article by @slatestarcodex.
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I also feel that some aspects of feminism in technology can be neatly framed as rent-seeking behaviour. But, I think anybody that gives their wealth over to another because they have been guilted into believing that they should not truly own it (privilege narrative) are fools who should be parted with their money.
Also, I think that many in the MRA community are just too whiney to attempt to defend men. I could barely mount an argument for men like that.
I'm not a feminist. I listened to the article because it wasn't shouted at me, and I responded saying that some of the behaviour annoys me, that the normal lack of diplomacy normally makes me stop reading after 5 seconds, and that diversity is a problem because of the social interactions it creates but there isn't much misogyny to see. There's enough shared belief to be tapped here, and I'm pretty good at not jumping in with my own strong opinions when I can see a benefit in solving an underlying problem with others.
You cannot quote me insulting you in any way, the closest you can get is the statement that a rational person can look at the pandering that happens from some men and conclude it isn't right either (yes, you are included in that group of 'some men').
It should also be noted that I'm not the one who is using diplomacy in their argument. My issue with you is the weak way in which you've pandered to feminists in general, while at the same time painting men and MRA as 'jerks'.
We are not jerks, nor is MRA about 'jerks'. It is unfortunate that you've chosen to buy that line, you should start being more proud of your gender.
If men and women are going to come to any sort of concensus on these sorts of issues, it's not going to happen by 1 side pandering to the other.
But it wasn't men you were talking about being diplomatic to, was it? It was women.
I wonder if that diplomacy should also include men, and if so, how do you feel about the way feminists have been vilifying men? Or the way you just did, with your comment about MRA.
Fair is fair, after all.