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One thing I feel the need to address, as does N.W.A. in many of their songs...

Bitches != All Women (when it comes to oldeschool rap lyrics at least)

A "bitch" in ebonics/early-hardcore-rap is a scandalous/hated woman for well known reasons. Like the local gold digger or crack whore which was very prevalent in their societies which they strongly felt the need to address. They're not referring to all women as being bitches.

This is explained quite eloquently in N.W.A.'s "A Bitch Iz a Bitch" which was produced by Dr. Dre. and DJ Yella [0][1]

[0] http://rapgenius.com/1472495

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5TsjmaycsQ (explicit, but best source by far)



Well OK then, lets just ignore all the rest of the disgusting and derogatory things that N.W.A. state about women. Not just Dre when he was in N.W.A, but in material since then that he has authored and produced. This isn't something that happened and stopped 20 years ago. This is who he is.

Do you seriously think someone is going to listen to this garbage for an hour each day and then go into society and be polite and respectful to women? You think it doesn't spill over? I know from personal experience that is does. I had friends who started to change the way they talked about and treated women after becoming heave N.W.A listeners. Years later they told me that they felt that it influenced them negatively and that the influence was pervasive. They regretted listening to that trash.

I don't understand people. You think watching porn regularly doesn't affect how you think sex should be (and what you expect from it)? Sex can never live up to a porno, it's a fantasy. Do you think that porn doesn't contribute to sexual harassment/abuse/assault? It's not hard to find lots of men's blogs, books, movies, ETC whom it has heavily affected. Surveys show that it's negative influence is widespread.

Influential things like gangster rap and porn that go into our brains break and form neuro-pathways. They actually shape how we think long term. They are mind altering in a negative way.

People think of them like alcohol. You can drink it now and it will be out of your system in time for work tomorrow morning. This actually is not the case though. These thoughts and images will NEVER leave our minds.

Why is this all a big deal? well here on HN, equality comes up quite often. Women's right to be treated equal, to be free from sexual harassment, and from being treated as inferiors. Do you think Dre's influence in years past and presently has helped women's equality or hurt it? I think the answer is quite obvious.

If you are female, can you imagine being his co-worker, or admin assistant at Apple? How uncomfortable would that be?


>Do you seriously think someone is going to listen to this garbage for an hour each day and then go into society and be polite and respectful to women?

Absolutely. That "someone" you mentioned is me.

>I don't understand people. You think watching porn regularly doesn't affect how you think sex should be (and what you expect from it)? ....... etc .... etc ....

What are you talking about?

>Why is this all a big deal? well here on HN, equality comes up quite often. Women's right to be treated equal, to be free from sexual harassment, and from being treated as inferiors. Do you think Dre's influence in years past and presently has helped women's equality or hurt it? I think the answer is quite obvious.

I really couldn't care any less, I was only commenting on the fact that "Bitches" in an N.W.A. song is not referring to all women in general.

>If you are female, can you imagine being his co-worker, or admin assistant at Apple? How uncomfortable would that be?

I can literally think of 10+ females that I know who would jump at the chance to work alongside Dr. Dre for FREE.

Even after calling them Bitches on stage, he experienced no shortage of women trying to sleep with him after every show he performed.

Try listening to some N.W.A. sometime, you never know, you just might like it!




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