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  We don’t want the state-run telcos in Saudi, Iran, Bahrain,
  Belarus, China, Egypt, Cuba, USA, etc… to have direct access
  to the metadata of TextSecure users in those countries or
  anywhere else.
Sad to see that the 'land of the free' has become bundled (in a relatively short period of time) into a category of oppressive states that have little or no respect for the privacy of its citizens.


I read this bundling as a deliberate rhetorical/political move. You could have bundled the US with other surveillance-happy Western nations such as Australia or the UK, which as far as I understand do not behave in a qualitatively different manner.


Not only do the UK, Australia, or Canada and New Zealand for that matter, not behave qualitatively differently, but as the "Five Eyes" surveillance states, they'll spy on one another's citizens (and occasionally their own) for one another, effectively gutting any legislative prohibitions on domestic surveillance.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncB...

Tipped off to me by SoftwareMaven here at HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061

(Links are described in more detail in my G+ post above)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-de...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-austra...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-i...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-bri...


Said information shared was found illegal in the UK recently.


Source?


Looks like it wasn't an actual court. I was recalling incorrectly: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-int...


Thanks.


And I guess there's a school of thought that from this perspective Australia and the UK are different countries in name only and are following US policy as dictated? True or not it's reasonable rhetoric I guess.


It seems pretty clear that more or less every advanced country should be included on that list.

America needs a new constitutional amendment to address what the 4th Amendment means in the 21st century.


I think you are seeing what it means to those in power- and those are the folks who would draw it up. It would be quite a remarkable revolution to put normal citizens in the legislature to rewrite the laws. I'm not sure my country can handle that. Too much funny laugh-track stuff on TV.


Do people really think that having your texts read is comparably oppressive to living in Belarus?


No one said that except you. Nice rhetorical strategy. Moxie said 'state-run telcos'. Which is accurate.


Moxie didn't say it but the comment seems to imply that they are in fact comparable.


OP lamented that the US uses the same tactics as those places. Data sent to/from your device will be captured in all of the places mentioned. Where is the comparison?




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