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One thing to note is that there's no EFF like organisation and this is mostly done by volunteers [1].

This has also been largest response to any consultation by Indian government having received 600K+ responses through campaign sites[2][3]. Previous highest was 20000 mails in 1999.

[1]: Disclaimer: I am associated and helping the group.

[2]: http://savetheinternet.in/ People can submit response here.

[3]: http://netneutrality.in/ Info site.

Edit: Corrected URL #3.



It's important to keep in mind that telco's arguments, that they are losing money or finding it hard to recover their investment costs, have been thoroughly debunked: http://capitalmind.in/2015/04/telecom-companies-are-not-losi...


The original consultation paper also had similar figures. I don't remember correctly but telcos are expected to lose $400 billion from call and SMS decline by 2020. However, they are expected to earn $1.2 trillion from data growth.


Imagine what number would that $1.2 trillion blow up to, if they have it their way of zero-rated apps and differential rating. The TRAI has been clearly unabashedly lobbying on television media for telcos. Isn't the "Telecom Regulatory Authority of India" supposed to act in the benefits of consumer!?


>>Isn't the "Telecom Regulatory Authority of India" supposed to act in the benefits of consumer!?

Ideally yes, but like every other Government institution in India these people are neck deep in corruption[New term: Lobbying].

The key issue is, telcos realize they are being reduced to mere data pipe suppliers and on the long term[May be a few years] their margins will drop like stone falling in a pit. They are being disrupted through software apps[Calls and SMS going through apps like Viber/Skype/Whatsapp]. So while data growth will happen for a while, post that they will be nothing more than data pipe suppliers.

This will just ensure massive flattening of positions in the market. Don't be surprised if BSNL does better than these people in that kind of a world. Because it will be all about infrastructure, and with a unlimited government funding, these people lose out against BSNL if all they will remain is data pipe suppliers.

These people once heralded as champions of free market economy and capitalism now want the government to bail them out with regulations in their favor. This was exactly the cry of all PSU's in the 90's when the government wanted to bring in privatization big time.

This is all about software disruption. These people disrupted BSNL's business, Now there business is being disrupted.

Funny how capitalism works when you are at the receiving end.


Projected figures after 5 years? I'd like to see some source on this information please.

I know they'll make up for in data, but $1.2 trillion?


Quote from consultation paper, page 34 [1]

Globally, the overall revenues in the telecom/ICT sector are expected to continue rising because of growth in users, traffic and applications. Even though there may be a loss of up to 6.9 per cent in cumulative voice revenues (representing $479 billion) because of OTT services, the total revenue for TSPs is likely to grow to $2.4 trillion in 2019 from $2.1 trillion in 2014

I was way off base. :)

[1] Consultation paper: http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReaddata/ConsultationPaper/Docum...


Having no organization like EFF is something that needs to be fixed. Depending on volunteers for such activity may not always be feasible in long term fights like this. #Sec66A fight took 3 years of dedication by many individuals to reach some conclusion and we can be sure many such fights will come in future. https://wethegoondas.in/ is such issue which still hasnt got enough attraction. Are there efforts in forming a non-profit organization which will work on such issues on long term basis. Crowd funding for the same when the issue in limelight seems to be the best thing if we have committed people coming forward to work and lead the organization.


> Having no organization like EFF is something that needs to be fixed.

I think the closest organization to EFF that India has is the Centre for Internet & Society (CIS). Though, the aim of CIS isn't about digital civil rights like EFF. It is more to study Internet related policy with respect to India. Many times, CIS does take similar stands to that of EFF would given the situation.

http://cis-india.org


Because there is no tradition of funding civil society organisations in India, CIS is mostly foreign-funded. That puts them under the purview of FCRA, which means they are explicitly forbidden from lobbying and politics, at risk of having their funding cut off. They necessarily have to limit themselves to policy research.

CIS is not and will never be the EFF of India until the FCRA rules change. We need another organisation.


Are there not enough people interested in this type of thing today in India to try to start an EFF equivalent?


In long term, yes this needs to be fixed. However, this time, the voluteers kept most of the stuff low profile. As of now, I am not aware of any non-profit organization like this. Maybe this is something that can be done after this debate settles down.


And the previous one was for the telcos too. http://cis-india.org/telecom/resources/new-telecom-policy-19...


Thank you Ishan!




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