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Definitely agree with that. Especially about the domestication large fauna in North America. How can you completely ignore the buffalo?



He answers some questions here, also about bison domestication: http://jareddiamond.org/Jared_Diamond/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel...

(according to this link I just googled, American buffalos are actually bisons http://www.diffen.com/difference/Bison_vs_Buffalo )


I read it, and it seems like crap. "When I ask American readers and animal handlers familiar with bison the possible reasons for bison non-domestication, they mention two factors: unpredictable dangerous disposition, such that bison ranchers remain wary of them; and ability to jump fences, such they could not be penned until modern strong high fences became available."

First off, Bulls can definitely have nasty dispositions, and secondly they can definitely jump fences. I've personally seen a bull clear a 8 foot fence.

thanks for providing that though!


I don't know anything about bisons. Are they domesticated these days?

So you would say they would have been eligible for domestication and native Americans failed to do so for some unknown reason?


I think you're making much the same mistake Diamond does, assuming that domestication is inevitable, and that if it doesn't happen, somebody "failed".


Well they failed by becoming subjugated by the European settlers, dying from diseases by the millions. That's what the book is about. I don't see a way to paint that in lovely colors? What about that isn't "failure"?

The argument here was that Diamond's theory is wrong because the native Americans could have domesticated the bisons after all. The claim that they are too difficult to tame is dismissed as "crap". Then it seems to me why they were not being domesticated needs another explanation (if the one from Diamond is not good enough). Just random chance?


They are farmed. You can buy bison meat at any grocery store here (it's delicious!). So yes.' There are about 200 thousand bison on 2000 farms in Canada alone.




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