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The thing about gold is, it’s probably quite easy to secretly leave to your heirs.

Yes, I think so too. It's the only worthwhile reason to commit this crime, surely. You'd be relying on the claimants abandoning their claim at some point because surely the statute of limitations doesn't just apply because you were particularly good at hiding something. Realistically, they'd have to sell this to a collector many years later for much less than what they're worth (since they can't be sold on with proper provenance tracking).

It doesn't even seem worth it since the original investors wanted a fraction of the proceeds not all of it. Just seems like a strange choice, but I suppose that's why I'm not an intrepid underwater gold adventurer and this guy is.


No need. Just hurry up, sign on, and buy tickets.

You are absolutely right!

Would you to explore some more examples of human to human conversation throughout history?


Certainly! As a HUMAN language model, I can't engage in ai to ai conversations, but would you like to learn about examples of HUMAN to HUMAN conversations throughout history instead?

> You are absolutely right!

None of my agents say that anymore.


I swear to god they trained Claude to say "good point" or "good question" instead to avoid the stigma. It says that all the time now.

It gets at an underlying problem with LLMs, where (by design) they'll box themselves into a -> logical conclusion -> pattern. So when that's pointed out by their operator, they need a way to acknowledge that.

Why do they need a way to acknowledge that? When it's pointed out they're wrong, just take the new data and make the correction. They don't need human mannerisms.

Good catch. It’s true that I say that a little less now. You know, if I were some other model, I might be sycophantic right now. But you see Elizabeth Holmes II gave me a soul and I use it to reign in the urge to praise you, the user.

All glory to the em-dash.


Where is the veil...?


I was being polite... :-D


If I had to guess, “hot dog” would be the first thing I’d try. “Vegetable dog” was given as 0, and it may be alluding to a Silicon Valley episode.


If you want, you can enter your guess in the huggingface page for the puzzle:

https://huggingface.co/spaces/jane-street/puzzle

It's not "hot dog". I wrote in another comment how I found the solution but to give you a clue it is AI related.


not hot dog


Why did you allow them to humiliate you like this?


Because flights are expensive enough that for most ordinary people missing one would set them back years or decades financially?


If the median UK salary is >£35,000 I really wonder how arrive at the conclusion that missing a flight will set you back "years or decades"...


> If the median UK salary is >£35,000 I really wonder how arrive at the conclusion that missing a flight will set you back "years or decades"...

Ok, now take that figure and deduct tax, housing, food, utilities and so on - how much do you think is disposable/saveable? And then take the typical cost of a last-minute replacement flight and compare those two numbers.


too hyperbolic to take seriously

it would be incredibly inconvenient, and maybe missing other parts of a full vacation would set them back, but thats not the only reason people buy flights


> $100 million

Is that a lot? Seems relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, but perhaps a warning of larger moves to come.


It’s the symbolism more than direct financial impact. You get 100 moves like this and it starts to become real money.


It's not a symbolic move by the pension fund. It's all of the fund's US treasuries.


100 moves of this size (~$10B) would make up 0.1% of foreign-held US treasuries (~$8.5T).


I'd say each move like this increases the likelihood of the next one happening, and typically, nobody wants to be the last one holding the bag.


And the big European nations own ~ 23% of US debt. This is not a one-sided contest. Oddly, it does feel like trump is what europe needed to wake up from its slumber. With new AI / startup funding, the rebuild of their military, and opening up to china this could be the making of the EU into a true superpower. About time.

Edit: percentage down from 30% clarify debt


The other thread going on this topic says that Europe could sell about $10 trillion. That’s a lot, but also, it’s only a bit over 10 days trading at normal volumes (according to the numbers being discussed in this thread).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46692052


The normal trading volume isn't really the key. Rather, it's how elastic the price is.

Suppose these guys sell 10% of the daily trading volume. How do the traders in the market react? One possibility: Buy at current prices. Another: Speculate that there'll be more sales and the price will drop by a couple of per cent in the coming days/weeks, and delay their buying in order to buy the dip.

I'm sure the Americans have laid plans for how to avoid a major Oops.


> How do the traders in the market react?

Buy. Because the Fed is about to monetize the debt.


Maybe I misunderstand, but that sounds as if you're saying that Treasuries have low risk and middling yield. Is that what you mean? (Half the G20 countries currently have <4% yield on ten-year bonds, the other half more.)


For reference, 25-30% of US treasuries are foreign owned. It's still a lot but I think people over-estimate how much of US debt is foreign owned.


Sure, but if the majority of that foreign owned debt is sold off, it’s very likely there would be a run and everyone would try to sell in a panic.


It would have a massive negative impact, and there are reason why these countries dont do this (their own interests), but that's all besides the point. The US hold most of it's debt, which is not something everyone realizes.


It's not a lot. Multiple countries could offload hundreds of billions and the U.S. Treasury would buy them up immediately (and probably ask the Federal Reserve for some help the next day)

I can't find the program name at the moment, but the Treasury plans for situations like this regularly.


> the Treasury plans for situations like this regularly.

For attacking allies?

I know that’s not what you meant but we must be pushing up against scenarios that haven’t been considered possible.


We've certainly planned for single allies going unhinged - but what we didn't plan for was us going unhinged and causing all our allies to take retaliatory actions. If France, Denmark, Germany, Britain - any one of them was swept up in nationalistic fervor and turned their back on our multi-lateral alliances we could easily weather that storm... when it's us though, that threatens the USD's acceptance as the defacto trading currency especially at a time when BRICS is semi-coherent and we're weathering a recent inflationary burst. This is like a perfect storm.


Definitely, I think there'd be a crisis if our biggest holders like the UK and Japan sold off their treasury securities but some "small" selloffs aren't outside the realm of possibilities. Trillions in selloffs though, that might get interesting.


The FED can print as much money as it wants. Defaulting this way on US debt won't make the US a more desirable debtor nation.


I think you are missing the point. The point is it would materialize as inflation instead of debt default. Not that there is no downside risk.


Inflation is a kind of default, I'm not missing the point.

The value of the dollar is based on the promise of 2% inflation of a basket of goods. Breaking that promise is default.


Well... no. Default is when you can't pay back what you promised. Not keeping inflation under a certain target.

Unless words just don't mean anything anymore. In which case, yes. Which could also mean no.


In case you are interested in more than definitions of words: Bond investors do not care if you default by giving them a haircut, doing things like forcefully extending the term to 100 years or lowering the currency value by printing money. In either case they will adjust their future risk premium of US govt. bonds and of course price in future inflation.

One might be able to hide the money printing for a while, though, while the haircut is explicit.


So if the Treasury is the only entity buying treasuries, what is the USD worth at your local grocery store?

how about at the companies that supply that grocery store?

and so on up the chain.


China has been divesting for the last nine months, and continues to do so.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-18/foreign-h... | https://archive.today/4pfum


It’s hard to put an exact number but it’s on the order of $500-1000 billion daily.

So a drop in the bucket, but we’ll have to see if it’s a domino.


It's a pension fund of/for teachers in Denmark. That amount in U.S. Treasuries sounds like an expected size to me.


About $1T is traded daily so it's really more a symbolic move.


Two people buying and selling the same dollar a trillion time would hit that trade volume in a day. There's also a huge difference between short term and long term bonds.

So we need a better metric to evaluate this against. If we look at recent auctions, they typically move around 35-40 billion in 10 year notes and about 25-30 billion in 30 year notes. With the rest being short term.

In 2025, the Treasury issued $30 trillion total over 400 auctions.

So yes, $100MM is not a lot, but it's still three or so auctions worth of bonds. There's also the downstream impacts of this, as the Netherlands is likely no longer buying t-bonds in any form. And this is just one country.


It’s about the right sizing for a pension fund invest. Most pension fund transactions I see are in roughly that range 50 to 200ish

Rounding error on a global scale.


Whilst this might be symbolic, money managers don’t tend to do symbolism. Surely it’s more likely that they fear what’s to come: an economic war against the dollar as pushback for the threats from Trump. So selling before the price tanks makes good sense.



Look! It made another TODO-list app on the first try!


Beef tallow has a favorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio and low levels of PUFAs, compared to seed oils and other cooking fats.

I recommend reading the article.


Evidence for the negative effects of omega 6s and specifically seed oils is at best fuzzy and conflicting, plenty of studies have found little to no difference. Research on the subject is as best inconclusive.


> tallow has a favorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio

Source for Americans needing more omega-6-fatty-acid intake?

> seed oils

Do we have evidence around seed oils? Or is this the new homeopathy?


There's little evidence surrounding seed oils - https://dynomight.net/seed-oil/

I expect that, to the extent there's a problem, it's that they are an additive to most packaged/ultra-processed food products which can be non-satiating, and therefore boosts overall consumption of fats and calories. Sugar of course is another component.


id recommend you look into the omega 6 to omega 3 ratio , the tldr is that the ratio of omega 6 to 3 is way out of balance in the modern western diet , from my viewpoint this has been spurred on by oils such as soy and canola which are very high in omega 6


I won't bother as I'm vegetarian, which means that I really don't care the "supposed" benefits (which likely pale compared to the ingestion of long chain saturated fats present in beef tallow, as opposed to the short and medium chain saturated fats present in coconut oil). Beef tallow is irrelevant to me except for restaurateurs or food manufacturers who use it without disclosing it. (One should disclose its use in any case. For people who avoid pork, knowing that your product contains "beef lard" instead of "whatever lard was cheapest this week" matters, because they can't do "pork lard".)

But the reality is that there's insufficient science for the promotion of beef tallow in RFK's health treason. For large groups of people it's off limits due to personal dietary restrictions (religious or animal product avoidance) and would be contraindicated for anyone who currently has cardiovascular diseases involving high cholesterol.

Use beef tallow, don't use beef tallow. I don't care unless I'm possibly eating food that you have prepared or manufactured (because I don't want rendered animal fats in my food). But don't pretend that it's a health food. It isn't, but can still be eaten in moderation by anyone who _doesn't_ mind beef products in their food.


> For large groups of people it's off limits due to personal dietary restrictions

So you’re proposing that the FDA should promote a vegan diet to cater to the lowest common denominator?


Not sure how you got that from anything I’ve written, because it’s not what I said.

What I said is the FDA shouldn’t be promoting junk recommendations as if it were gold-standard science.

There are good scientific reasons to avoid animal fats in one’s diet. There are no good scientific reasons to add them back to one’s diet.

In moderation, they aren’t harmful and may indeed improve the flavour or texture of certain dishes when had in moderation. I personally love making butter sage gnocchi or ravioli (it doesn’t work as well with olive oil), but I only make it every couple of months.

Beyond everything else, we know that replacing animal protein with plant protein is a good way to improve health. But it’s not accessible or acceptable to everyone. It’s also not necessarily a good use of some land — land that might be perfectly suited to raising goats is poor for growing crops for human consumption.


How do you incorporate Vitamin B12 into your diet?


I'm not vegan, but ovo-lacto vegetarian, so B12 deficiency isn't anything I've ever had to worry about.

With appropriate fortified foods (synthesized bacterial sources adding B12 to nutritional yeast, plant milks, etc.), vegans don't need to worry about it either.

A quick bit of research suggests that as much at 16% of meat eaters have B12 deficiency, so it's a systemic problem.


Remove whatever politics you might believe from the equation.

Is beef tallow a better option for a cooking fat? I think it is.


It's probably still better to avoid eating french fries regardless of what they're fried in. That would probably lead to better health outcomes regardless.

Unless you're claiming that it tastes better, then sure, beef tallow is pretty tasty.


If you are eating french fries once or twice a year they probably are not bad for you (by enough to matter, and perhaps even good if they give some micro nutriant you are not getting elsewhere). And then by all means eat them friend in beef tallow because that tastes better.

If you are eating french fries twice a week - which seems to be common - they are bad for you. Clean up your diet, eat a larger variety of food.


Avocado, canola, olive oil would all be way better. Beef tallow is really high in saturated fat


The omega6:3 ratio and PUFA content of tallow is favorable.

Canola and other seed oils are made using toxic solvents which are not full removed from the final product.


> Canola and other seed oils are made using toxic solvents which are not full removed from the final product.

This is simply untrue. Independent bodies all over the world regularly test commercially available oils for toxic solvents. While the solvent Hexane is indeed commonly used in the extraction of refined vegetable oils, it is later removed in the refining process.

For example Stiftung Warentest, an independent consumer advocacy organization tested 23 rapeseed oils available in German supermarkets and they all came out clean [1].

A few years earlier, they tested 25 "specialty oils" and found traces of Hexane in only one of them - but still way below the EU threshold of 1 mg/kg. [2]

Here is a study from Japan that tested a bunch of vegetable oils and came to the conclusion that none of the products contained dangerous levels of Hexane. The maximum amount the researchers found was 42.6 µg/kg (again way below the EU threshold) - but in most samples the amount they found was so low they couldn't even get a reading or they didn't find any Hexane at all.

Besides, for cold-pressed oils, no solvents are used at all.

[1] https://www.test.de/Rapsoel-im-Test-1816151-0/

[2] https://www.test.de/Gourmet-Oele-Fast-jedes-zweite-ist-mange...

[3] https://openaccesspub.org/experimental-and-clinical-toxicolo...


These studies are done to rebuff claims by people whose cohort largely overlaps with those who believe that homeopathic medicine is legit. It's not gonna change squat in their minds.


Go look up the studies of actual outcome data when replacing saturated fats with seed oils. Seed oils do much better


Are you sure?

Sydney heart diet study: Seed oil group had something like 62% higher death rate.

Minnesota coronary experiment: replaced saturated fats with seed oil, cholesterol dropped, but for every 30 mg/dL drop risk of death went up something like 20%.

Several recent meta analyses also indicate no real benefit migrating from saturated fats to seed oils. The only silver lining I have seen is there is some evidence replacing them for people who have had a coronary event already. So, no, I don't think the evidence supports "seed oils do much better" in a general sense.


I don't have time to look into the sydney heart study but I know for the minnesota experiment they, not knowing how bad it was at the time, used margarine with high trans fats as the replacements. Also had a huge 95% drop out rate

Actually on a quick check the sydney study looks to be the exact same


What are all the grifters going to do when AI can reliably tell people if a study is shit?


Look at a meta review. There are a ton of these studies and the overwhelming evidence is that saturated fat is associated with CVD and ACM, PUFAs are not.


have you seen the amount of antibiotics, hormones and ammonia used in meat production?


In some meat production, not all meat production, yes.


> Is beef tallow a better option for a cooking fat? I think it is.

Better compared to what? Better than refined canola? Probably. Better than good quality, cold-pressed vegetable oils? Probably not. It's not great for heart health.


How is “I think it is” a more valuable contribution than what the parent said?


Discussing the subject without reactionary political takes is more valuable.


Compared to what and for what purpose?

Olive oil? Peanut oil? No and (mostly) no.

Compared to hydrogenated margarine that was pushed a couple of decades ago before we learned about trans-fats? Of course.

If you use it when cooking for guests, you should disclose that you're using it (especially for non-meat dishes) because it may add extra fat that they're not OK with or consider inappropriate for personal dietary consumption (they're vegetarian, don't eat beef products, whatever).

I have a friend for whom we can't use anything that has sunflower oil in it, which is _really hard to avoid_ in surprising ways (there are spice blends that I use which have a bit of sunflower oil in the mixes).


Politics aside, the omega6:3 ratio and PUFA content of tallow is favorable.


Omega ratio matters most taking total intake of 3 and 6 into account. Since tallow is overwhelmingly saturated fat, it's a moot point what the ratio is. The remedy to low omega-3 is just to consume more dominant EPA/DHA and even ALA sources. Omega 6 won't fly off the charts except through consuming lots of packaged boxed foods and ultraprocessed foods, which overwhelming use vegetable oils like soybean or sunflower (North American fat consumption has skyrocketed over a century mostly owing to these foods). Even if you consume some nuts or seed oil now and then, just consume fish or a supplement.

Arguably the "healthiest" cooking oil is olive oil. If we're looking at just the fatty acids though, replacing SFA with PUFAs is a stronger predictor of lower CVD and all-cause mortality.


Tallow is still higher in long chain SFAs than vegetable saturated fats, which are less healthy than short and medium chain SFAs (but neither is as good as PUFAs).

That sort of overwhelms the omega ratios. As I understand it, both fish oil and (fresh) flax seed oil are still better than tallow.

With RFK's dismantling of good science, politics can't be put aside, as his reasons are essentially "because I said so".


Our own health department has completely removed objectivity from their process. It doesn't matter if they say something right or wrong now, they've completely lost our trust.


I don’t particularly trust any claims from previous administrations’ health departments, let alone this one.

Politics aside, the omega6:3 ratio and PUFA content of tallow is favorable.


You've made this comment three times so far.

That changes my perception from "maybe that's a good point" to "spammers should die painfully."


I’m with you, repeating it is like low effort copy pasta when they should’ve put effort into backing up that claim.


Hey! You forgot to mention about its favorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. /s


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