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It only seems strange to you because you are probably American. Not everyone views land this individually. Nor does your approach make any sense. So you're against the government telling me I can't build a toxic waste dump on my land next to a school?



If you build your waste dump next to the school it creates negative externalities for the school. That's not the case for simply selling a piece of property to a willing buyer.


Buyers that don't actually live in the house and let it sit empty create a negative externality. Enough empty houses and you end up with empty neighborhoods.

(This happens with domestic buyers too but the problem of huge empty investment properties seems to have come along with foreign investment?)


I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case here.


" That's not the case for simply selling a piece of property to a willing buyer."

Not quite.

A wealthy citizen of a 3rd world country has used the fact that he can pollute and treat his staff like slaves - to make tons of money.

He can then go to another country wherein surpluses are spread more evenly - buy up property - and start to dominate those people economically as well.

One could make the cases that 'you cannot buy homes in our country unless you're a citizen of a country with similar rules regarding externalities like the environment, human rights' etc..

Because a lot of this money is coming from countries where all sorts of externalizations are made.

Same thing for manufacturing: we 'stop hiring' in locale A and go to 'locale B' where we can pollute and have slaves. You can't really look at it solely from the context of locale A.

For the same reason different nations have separate currencies, I think we need to separate domicile policy.


Nations have separate currencies because if they didn't some regions with experience inflationary monetary policies while others would experience deflationary ones. It would be impossible for central banks to do their jobs. You can see this in action in Europe with the Euro which was, and is, a bad idea.

How does this reason translate to housing policy?


" some regions with experience inflationary monetary policies while others would experience deflationary ones. "

Housing - and capital inflows/outflows - are primary drivers of inflation! (FYI I know housing is generally not included in inflation targets, but it really should be because it's where inflation can effectively be hidden).

Ergo - strongly related to the issue at hand.

Put simpler: those who come from countries with a different currency should not be able to buy residential property. :)


that creates negative externalities as well. they are just more subtle and people are not comfortable talking about them.


What are those?


Lower property values and potential influx of people from a different social class.

The parent post may've meant to imply race.


nope, not meant to imply race.

cultural factors may play a role, of course. quality of life is better when you have more things in common with your surroundings. this is about preferences, not perceived superiority though. at the very least you'd want your kids to have a common language with their classmates though.


> Maybe we should allow duplexes?

>> What's next TOXIC WASTE DUMPS IN OUR KIDS BREAKFAST CEREAL?

I'm not sure its possible to make a more dramatic statement.


Well, you've minimized the preceding argument while adding hyperbole to the responding argument. Of course we will agree with you that the straw man you have constructed is nonsense.

The parent arguments are both far more reasonable.


this doesn't qualify as a case of reductio ad absurdum because the original argument was not "why don't we allow duplexes?" but "why does the collective have a say in this at all?"

and the answer to that is "because of negative externalities"


American here, and I'm all in on the idea that we live in a society and our choices and decisions are constrained, to some extent, by the people around us.

The challenge for every generation and every society is to decide where to strike the balance between the individual and the group; it's never all one or the other, but always somewhere in between.

And I like this "your land isn't actually yours to do with whatever you please, no limits" idea. Count me in.




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