I played with a project called Infindraw[0] a few years back. It used quickdraw data to draw continuously
I just tried this dicks data set in it. https://imgur.com/a/nr5QlEd
:)
I painted a home (imagine a 5yo painting a home)(a square, and a triangle for the roof)(with door, windows, chimney smoke), and right next to it I drew a penis.. it didn't mind at all to have a "house sized" penis next to the house.
I drew an elephant. Somehow it recognized that it was an elephant. Then it started erasing the elephant while blathering on about something free speech.
I honestly don't understand what this is. Is it a trick to see if I actually will draw a penis (reverse psychology)? How does it recognize an elephant? Why did it erase my elephant? What is it blathering on about?
In 2018 Google open-sourced the Quickdraw data set. “The world's largest doodling data set”. The set consists of 345 categories and over 15 million drawings. For obvious reasons the data set was missing a few specific categories that people enjoy drawing. This made us at Moniker think about the moral reality big tech companies are imposing on our global community and that most people willingly accept this. Therefore we decided to publish an appendix to the Google Quickdraw data set.
Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.
So far we have collected 10K doodles formatted the same way as Google's dataset. We are happy to announce you can download them here."
As far as I can tell it's supposed to be an evil AI that is educating/brainwashing you. If you keep drawing penises you can piss it off. So yes, the site is expecting you to draw some.
Probably this. It does recognize penises and erases them, but labels them as "broom", "paintbrush", and likely "elephant". I guess the Google dataset made it a puritan at soul.
Somewhere in this thread someone said to press D to see the categories it assigns to your drawing. I did, and then drew a penis. It did recognize it as such with a fairly high level of confidence so there is definitely a dedicated category for penises.
That reminds me of a few years ago when a robot was the governor of California. I always wondered, If you heard a robot speaking German, how would you know it was a robot? Hmm?
> "I always wondered, If you heard a robot speaking German, how would you know it was a robot? Hmm?"
Did you know that in German speaking countries we never hear Arnolds original voice?
He is dubbed by a German actor in all of his movies. So it remains a mystery...
For all the Austrians in the thread: Yes, I know he is Austrian an technically his accent is Austrian.
For me this practice led a strange moment where a Girl in the krimi Wolf (or Wulf? Or could be Kommissar Rex but I think it was the daughter of Wolf himself), listened to an audio tape of a robbery and the voice never matched any of the suspects... Then she recognized some actor (Danny de Vito perhaps, it was 20 years ago at least?) and I was like wut? Danny deVito does not speak German, let alone like that. But then I learned you indeed have one actor doing the life time of an English speak actor :)
> In 2018 Google open-sourced the Quickdraw data set. “The world's largest doodling data set”. The set consists of 345 categories and over 15 million drawings. For obvious reasons the data set was missing a few specific categories that people enjoy drawing.
> Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.
This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc.
But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.
Well there are eggplants, peaches and melons of course, but outside of emoji, there is also unicode for egyptian hieroglyphs breast (U+13091 U+13092 𓂑 𓂒) and phallus (U+130B9 and U+130BA 𓂹 𓂺)
Gasp! I just learned the phallus heiroglyphs are missing from the fonts on my windows box! Even U+130B8 𓂸 which isn't even a penis, it's just a somewhat phallic finger.
do i now.. you have more comments in this thread about the discussion than the topic. that is offtopic spam. here's an idea. if you have nothing to say on topic, and want to discuss discussion, start a thread about discussions. crazy that people on a thread about intel want to read intel comments.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'it'. Are you saying that a discussion of the discussion may not cause a decline a community's culture, but could indicate such a decline?
If a specific Unicode symbol adds actual clarity or meaning in some context, I would not expect it to be discouraged. I didn't mean my adjectives as a generalization of unicode graphics, but the opposite: a specification of circumstances.
The 'croquet' is a folded cloth, but might just be there to signify an 's' sound -- in a hieroglyph dictionary [1] it says "lead" or "guide", `seshem`, maybe because the penis on its own can mean bull or donkey, so maybe referring to animals that must be lead, just a guess. Anyway its used at the front of a few names here referring to a leaders of one kind or another.
I am not sure it's worth reading into what there are and aren't emojis of. There is an emoji of the Tokyo Tower, but not one of the Eiffel Tower. It isn't because the Tokyo Tower is more important than the Eiffel Tower, it's because the set is based on a random collection of pictures that Japanese cell phone carriers created over the years. (e = picture, moji = letter, that's where the word came from. A "false friend" with emoticon, interestingly.)
When creating this collection, they missed a lot of stuff. It was never intended to be a complete set of all symbols that a human might need. Some guy at some phone company just made them. The attempts to add a handful of new characters with each new Unicode version don't improve much.
People seem to be using the eggplant emoji as a standin for a penis. It gets the message across, apparently.
> The love hotel or heart hospital emoji depicts a building with both a pink heart and on some platforms the letter H emblazoned on the front. It is mostly used in reference to hospitals and health as well as to vacation resorts.
> A love hotel is a hotel that can be hired by the hour instead of as accommodation for the evening. Sometimes mistaken for a get well soon emoji due to the similarity in appearance to the hospital.
It is iconic but a little unfair to the rest of the world to exclude their iconic places from Unicode. If Tokyu (it's a pun; 109 => 10 = too, 9 = kyuu) gets an emoji, why not McDonalds, Burger King, Bank of America, Google, etc.
It would be nice if we could scale Unicode and let everyone have their own emoji, but we can't scale it. Think about the volumes of text that have been written over whether the gun emoji should be a handgun or a squirt gun. Now repeat that for every notable place and company in the world... and it's just not something humanity can achieve.
What we need is extensible unicode. Some way of marking up documents to say "here is the URL that defines these characters", and then people could install the "New York City emoji pack" and be able to use the Empire State Building or Grand Central Terminal in addition to Shibuya 109 or Tokyo Tower. I guess HTML is that markup language, and it turns out that you can put whatever images in the text you want. It was probably a mistake to standardize Softbank's picture SMS crap, but here we are.
That reasoning would be valid if Unicode wasn’t adding new emoji from scratch every years. They do yet they don’t add few anatomical parts that are every important concern in most human lives.
I was stung when the exhibit in the Tokyo Tower of other famous towers of the world didn’t have the Space Needle, but had other, shorter buildings for scale.
Isn't that just covered by any of the various sad emojis when someone tells you something like that? Compassion/sympathy can be viewed as a contextualized version of sadness.
I have a friend who uses the sad emoji when I say I’m not feeling good. It kind of makes me feel like I’m making her feel sad by telling her. It would be nice if there was emoji of two people embracing or something.
You probably are making her feel sad when you tell her. That's how sympathy and empathy work, it's feeling sorrow or pity for someone's misfortune (sympathy), or feeling a pain similar to theirs (empathy). The whole point of telling your friends and loved ones is so you feel slightly better at their slight expense. Do it with enough friends, and you might feel significantly better, but individually they are all only slightly worse. That's part of the implicit job description of being a friend, being there to help in that way.
If I knew a friend purposefully didn't share that with me for my sake, I would be a little offended if I viewed them as a good friend, as obviously they didn't view me as a good enough friend to let me help in that way.
I wouldn't let that hug fool you either. In real life if you tell someone your problem and it makes them want to hug you, that hug is probably preceded by a frown in reality as well.
It's inevitable, there is no need to feel guilty about it.
It's kind of an extreme form of vegetarianism if somebody doesn't show suffering because he fears that others would suffer from compassion. A friend in need is a friend indeed. Whoever suffers with you doesn't mind the suffering.
A workplace where people only want to work instead of being comfortable enough to make new connections (of any kind) is a bad workplace. You should be able to make new friends, increase your network, and have a good time collaborating. I feel sorry for anyone who is in such an environment, especially when they are being approached constantly in bad ways on top of it (let alone harassed). So many things have gone wrong then. The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.
> The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.
Presently, women can expect mistreatment in their workspace. This has an unbroken reality for generations.
While women are living with that reality, this very minute, it's not clear that workplace friendships are in any meaningful danger.
I think I can see your interpretation, but others seem to have read it the way I did and decided not to believe me, so I'm not sure where it falls. Just tried to insert a happy comment into the chain. Oh well :/
>This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc. But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.
In this era of global communication, I think the Protestant mores may be less important, relatively, than they once were.
Edit: US based companies appear to me to at least as concerned with new markets than existing markers. In some cases, China and the middle east are the regions which motivate 'puritanical' discretion, not the US.
Maybe not protestant directly these days, but American puritanism is very much still very much alive and influencing technology. I doubt Facebook bans people for posting even slight nudity even in private groups just because of other countries.
Yeah, but they who make the software/social platforms also makes the decisions, and those are usually US companies. So even here in Europe we're imposed with US-based morals ("Oh, some nudity in a post photo! Bad! Censored, what would the advertisers say"), whereas in our own culture, left to its own devices, we could not care less about such things...
Isn't this the era of the scale down of globalism though? (Trump, Brexit, US-China trade war, etc)
I've got a card game website like jackbox where you can draw your avatar. The amount of penises people draw is surprisingly pretty low. We've got a gallery page showing all of the avatars drawn to date here:
Of course I started by drawing a penis, and the voice told me off and erased it. Then I started drawing a rabbit, and to my surprise the voice recognized the rabbit with me just completing the ears, and commented "nice rabbit". I had to add a penis to the rabbit and was a bit disappointed the system didn't recognise that little addition.
That’s true in that they only use white meat from the chicken (which is a super set of breast meat). They also add a ton of synthetic fats and a just a dab (hopefully) of a highly toxic petroleum product that’s mostly banned outside the US:
> FDA considers the addition of MSG to foods to be “generally recognized as safe” (GRAS). Although many people identify themselves as sensitive to MSG, in studies with such individuals given MSG or a placebo, scientists have not been able to consistently trigger reactions.
Additionally, there's a heading, "Those McNuggets Contain Sodium Aluminum Phosphate Too", followed by "Key word here is "aluminum." You know, the silvery metallic element you use to line your oven rack before baking or roasting?"
This is about as relevant as pointing out that table salt is made from a metal that catches fire when added to water, plus a WWI poison gas.
I drew Spongebob with a bow tie and the voice told me, "nice owl."
I'm not sure if I was more disappointed at my drawing being so bad that the AI couldn't figure it out, or that it missed a blatant opportunity to say, "nice hooters you go there."
I drew a person and it just said a bunch of stuff about freedom of expression and started erasing it. Then I started just drawing loops and it said I was drawing a hurricane.
Took a similar approach. Got yelled at when I drew one too. But funny enough a stick figure holding a penis resulted in "free expression is paramount".
I drew the outline of Mickey Mouse's head, and it misidentified that as "male reproduction organ". I don't know if that's meant to be social commentary.
Meanwhile, _this_ got let through, and I promise I started with the dong (which it called a paintbrush). https://imgur.com/a/u4ARqRD (nsfw)
I tried to see what objects would be recognized incorrectly as a penis. Among what I tried: pencil (no), banana (yes), bacteriophage (no), ebola (no), uterus (no), sperm (no), pinnochio (yes), skyscraper (no), saguaro (no), racecar (no), flying saucer (no), rocketship (no), NCC-1701 (no), TIE fighter (no), Serenity (no), Amazon logo (no).
I was very surprised at pinnochio. It had two eyes and a nose and a big smile. Yet the AI saw something completely different.
The dataset reminds me a mural from the Middle Ages depicting a tree covered with phalluses, found at the communal fountain in the Tuscan town of Massa Marittima (Italy).
I find it interesting that no scholars seem to entertain the idea that maybe Medieval graffiti artisans enjoyed painting dicks on things just like we do in the modern day.
Like, the way the phalluses (phalli? Huh, apparently "phalli" is the one Firefox's spellcheck recognizes) look like they're thinly painted on top of what look like normal fruit, with a different paint that appears to have faded faster than the original, strongly suggests the fresco was not originally painted with such phallic abundance. Seems like some prankster took some paint and "improved" it, possibly with his medieval buddies for a laugh.
Another tell-tale sign of this being ancient vandalism is the missing spots (both in the boughs and among the women on the ground), as if a caretaker desperately tried to scrub off the penises until, realizing such efforts were scrubbing away the original, gave up in frustration.
Kind of amusing, but if you draw an anatomically correct penis, like how it would look on a sculpture, it doesn't detect it. It only seems to detect the caricature or pornographic varieties.
I spent the evening drawing dozens upon dozens of cocks, and the machine didn't object to any of them. I don't know what this says about my artistic skills.
I was wondering if they recorded the doodles, after drawing so many the lady started yelling at me and drawing one after another. Turns out they do!
"Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.
So far we have collected 10K doodles formatted the same way as Google's dataset. We are happy to announce you can download them ↘ here."
You should collaborate with https://skribbl.io/ -- they probably have the largest scribbling dataset in the world, and have it labelled correctly + "how many % people do actually recognize this THING as what it is meant to be, as drawn by another being?" It's hard to think of any better dataset.
I was thinking of the same. Providing it as a service for digital boards given so many schools are operating online now. There would be many people drawing dicks.
if anyone wants to do this - email is in the profile.
I drew a frog and it was recognized as a cactus, then made a more elaborate frog and it was also a cactus. The penis I drew was recognized as an octopus, it seems to make the guess very early on in the drawing process.
Slightly offtopic but is there a reason why penis drawings are more common than vaginas.
There aren't many datasets for vagina drawings from quick search. Nothing much pops up on github either. I haven't seen many people draw them. Penis and boobs are common in school and online spaces. I observed this to be the same for both genders.
They are somewhat more iconically shaped, since they have a very distinct silhouette? And thus easier to draw since you only need to approximate the shape. And easy to see all over the place since more things are distinctly shaped like them.
This seems intuitively true but is there way to prove this?
I am not sure if line complexity has to do with it. [0] looks more or less the same amount if you simplify. Of course with simplification, it's less observable or clear.
So I tried drawing both of them a few times, I think vaginas are harder to draw because they require to be more symmetric than a penis. It's more to do with how your wrist works while working in the opposite direction.
Still there are differences from country to country. When I moved from Germany to Finland decades ago I wondered about a certain pattern of symbolic graffiti seen in many places. My girlfriend explained me that's a vagina. (With today's knowledge she meant vulva). I had never seen that symbol in Germany. But then Finland is the country where the most common swear word is cunt, even amongst 14 year old girls.
While "vulva" is now the correct medical term, initially it was also an euphemism, used as wrongly as some people use now "vagina".
In the beginning, "vulva" was a synonym for "uterus" and its current meaning arose much later, because some began to use it in order to avoid the correct word "cunnus".
I expected this lol. I know the anatomical difference but in general what people refers to as vagina/pussy is vulva so I went with that. Pussy is often used in derogative way which is why people go with vagina.
Thanks for sharing the article. It does seem like female reproductive organs being taboo is the main reason behind lack of their depiction.
A woman can see her own breasts without aid of a mirror. She cannot see her vagina without some sort of aid.
According to the works of Camille Paglia, the reason we have female strippers but male strippers aren't so much a thing (and she was writing some time ago, so times have changed somewhat) is because after a female stripper has taken everything off, her genitals remain hidden. Not so with a man.
There are some inherent challenges to depicting the vagina. It's hard to put on display "normally." It isn't on display merely because you are standing there naked like with a penis.
So...I drew a flaccid penis, front view, in front of a scrotum. To give it context I added in legs and a body...and that appears to be when it became recognized, and began erasing itself while audio warned me about drawing inappropriate images. Neat.
I see from my experiments followed by inspection of the compiled main.chunk.js the application is programmed to respond with an array of responses where accuracy is 0,30 (low) - for ex when I doodle jagged lines - "Engage more..."/ "Total Abstraction"/ "This could be anything". However, among this array of responses is also "Don't be vague or abstract".
This, as a machine-generated response to someone doodling comes across at once as naive as well as somewhat intimidating :P "Okay mommy, won't draw penis, but can I at least draw a few random lines and dots?"
It's interesting to see what the AI does and doesn't recognize. It recognized my lame attempt to draw the Eiffel Tower - impressive, the Mona Lisa, and a (barbed wire) fence. It didn't recognize drawings of the Ace of Spades a desk calendar, the Canadian Flag, or written words.
AI is going to eat the world, IMHO, and we've just started up the exponential curve in the past two decades. Huge potential to appear REALLY intelligent.
> Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.
Contrast to this fairly broad stated goal, it is very single minded. I'll grant that the vulva I drew was probably hard to make out (still though - "asparagus"?), but the boobs? They should have been easily distinguishable from a "stereo".
wow.... if you draw enough penises, the lady in the computer starts drawing her own penises of all different artistic-interpretations (I'm assuming drawn by other site visitors?), all while insulting you with very colorful expressions.....
Interesting. I drew mouse and then cat and it did not recognize either. Then I drew them again. The image looked the same but the parts were drawn in different order. That was enough for AI to suddenly recognize both images
I started off with a tree and some other mundane things, and it nailed the first 5-6 in a row (car, house, smiley face, scissors). It thought my dog was a cow, and apparently I don't draw very recognizable kites.
Cool, was the drawing interaction a custom UX component, or is this using some library on github somewhere? I can't imagine how to even build something like this, and am really curious.
I think this is an important point. How is the data processed, given and saved?
-Are the movements and start to stop positions saved when doing the strokes?
-Or is a picture taken after the stroke is released and the pixels compared one by one?
- is it made to vector art and then compared?
-or just take mouse input, button pressed and not in a time log sort of and compare?
Ha, I drew the first thing that came to mind: a shovel. I shortly realized that it probably looked like a penis, surprisingly the voice realized it was a shovel. Well done!
It recognized my smiley face with bleeding bullet-hole in forehead as a face, and recognized my mountains, but couldn’t recognize my fish. Not bad overall.
I thought asparagus was its joke way of saying penis. It seems to always classify mine as asparagus and make some witty comment like "we are certain about your good intentions".
One of the creators here: we were very much caught by surprise by the sudden interest in this project. (A year after launch) We are currently counting stock and updating our shop for a better experience (like not defaulting to an out of stock color for a product)
In a sense, yes. Long dormant users have become more active during this pandemic, and are very obviously creating feedback loops of cultural reinforcement. Activists and other fans of lazy, superficial contributions are also involved. We may or may not be in the midst of an eternal September type event, depending on whether key actors recognize what is happening and decide that it is worth addressing. Unfortunately the conversation is damaged by a pre-existing motive to stifle or dismiss this specific meta-discussion, developed in response to years of repetitive criticism.
Since it seems to be about morals and free speech, I wrote some hate speech next to my penis. I wonder if they'll need to censor anyway just like Google does.
It seem to be playing a bunch of mp3 assets, so the voices are pre-recorded. Not sure if those mp3 are generated with a text to speech software or not though.
The technology underlying this site is interesting. Many of the comments here are indistinguishable from a reddit thread. Will HN rediscover itself as the pandemic wanes?
Domains around here are amazingly creative. It's an important part of the package, and if it delivers a surprise and a chuckle like this all the better.
That URL is so juvenile, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using something like that. Also, I already have a drawing app, and it doesn't need an internet connection to work. And if anybody wants my help to improve their surveillance gear, they will have to pay me for it.
The term "dog whistle" needs to be banned on the grounds of it being a memetic hazard. It's a perfect tool for shutting down any meaningful conversation by accusing other side of being deceitful, by conjuring up some hated group that the speaker is supposedly sending secret signals to, instead of actually meaning what they said. It's active intellectual dishonesty in distilled form.
As for the article, I feel it's complete bullshit - in Frankfurt's sense[0]. It says things that may or may not be sometimes true, but the point is to use the LGBT+ communities as a human shield to defend the furry fandom.
(EDIT: parent deleted their comment, but - for the sake of preserving context - they linked to an article titled "If You Hate Furries, You’re Anti-LGBT".)
I think that article seems to miss the point, to be honest. There's no need to conflate furries with LGBT people: even if they were they were all hetrosexual hating on them would still not be OK, like any other kind of discrimination based on personal preference.
Except that dog whistles are not always dog whistles (there are people who dislike furries but are generally positive towards the LGBT community), and in this case the dog whistle in itself is hate towards a group of people.
https://dickrnn.github.io/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23187529