Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure what is Stone Age medieval.
If you want to repeal laws in India, first study them. India has Hindu marriage act too, especially designed for Hindu undivided family with similar inconsistency.
In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live.
If woman are unhappy with unjust law let them as community fight it. You don’t have to force your views or your self-righteous way for them.
Indeed the funny part is the woman of that very community you try to help, despise the current Indian government. If the purpose of the change was to help that community there will be some support, but indeed there is complete opposition.
Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.
In any case the ceremonies are much too elaborate to be held in magistrates office without cutting corners. So they are held at home or marriage halls.
But it isn't abolished in all states, and India is the largest exporter of beef. Beef politics is new and a recent BJP/Modi/Adityanath invention.
It is the same tactics the British used to divide the country, and simply used as a tool to target Muslims.
The fact is that Hindus eat beef and there is no religious proscription against it, that is the whole point of "Hinduism being a way of life".
Secondly - old cows are not a resource, and farmers do not care about them. You cannot support their population without making cows useless to farmers. So cows get slaughtered.
The efforts made to politicize this has lead to herds of cows destroying farmers and farm land. Now that the attention of the population is away from cows, I bet farmers and politicians are busy shipping cows to be butchered once again.
Its pretty amazing that no one wonders who is selling these cows to be killed, it only becomes an issue when muslims eat meat.
Conveniently leaving the truth that those state government which banned beef is same as central government (ruling central government party). People killed on suspicion of storing beef in home refrigerator is also perpetrated by central government party and its members (this is the reason no one got punished or prosecuted for mob killing). Central government has wide powers to initiate investigations and punish local officials as they have constantly done to muzzle political opponents in every state where they are not in power.
> marriage act
There is a reason it’s called Hindu marriage act and it’s very patriarchal with lots of inconsistencies. Not just this, there are many laws in India which needs repeal or reform like laws on sedition’s which are conveniently used by current government to put people in jail without trial trampling basic human rights. For higher courts it’s important to judge what a comedian can say or not say and habeas corpus cases are just kept pending. A minister of central government is outraged and any court takes up the case with utmost urgency, and person languish in jails for years waiting for their habeas corpus plea pending hearing.
> Muslim reforms
Let that community decide what reforms they want, don’t impose your will on them.
May be follow a bit of Buddhism to do self introspection and all will be evident.
Nationalistic and religious flamewar will get you banned here. You did that repeatedly in this thread. Please don't post any more like this to HN, regardless of which side you're fighting for or how right you feel it is.
>>Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties.
Only 'Productive Cow(milk yielding)' slaughter was forbidden until recently. Karnataka(Ruled by same party as the center) recently banned all bovine slaughter. Farmers now say they will happily pass on the expenses to take care of unproductive cattle(calves, bulls and older bovines) to consumers in the form of higher priced milk.
Regarding the remaining thing. As a Married Indian muslim who has registered their marriage. All Indian muslims go under special marriage act whose provisions are way way more stricter than the Hindu marriage act. They even send out your application to the local mosques in Bangalore to check if this is a genuine alliance or if the couples have eloped and parents have objections to file. The time given is 45 days. All the best registering a marriage between a Muslim and Hindus.
>>It may forbid triple talaq but other provisions like custody and alimony still apply.
Literally negligible follow triple talaq in Muslim community. In my entire biological and parents biological existence and our entire network of friends and family we don't of a single case of divorce happening this way.
Things like 498a and DV laws apply to all Indian citizens as they are criminal laws.
The reason why people protested against 3T is because even a random stranger could accuse a Muslim man of 3T and the criminal proceedings begin, with arrest and imprisonment of the Muslim man. tl;dr a law created to reign in strong men who wouldn't bow to your political/religious harassment.
>>Protests, crazy ones just like for the CAA.
It's quite a telling about you when you say refusal to walk into concentration camps as crazy.
And the reason all this happens is because a uniform civil code is unpalatable to muslims. We would be in a better place if we didn't have polygamy and good divorce, custody, alimony laws instead of religious laws.
> In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live.
I agree with you on general gist but not this. Seriously? You don't think muslim women are oppressed by these medieval age laws and need to be changed? You don't think bringing religion into laws was a horrible idea, and live jihad is just the other side of the picture of triple talaq laws? You can't just hate one side and turn blind to the evils of the other.
Consumption of dogs is banned in the US. Dogs are a delicacy in a number of places. Quite different from discriminating by gender and treating one gender in a marriage as chattel I would think.
It is banned but did not permit anyone to kill other people without impunity on suspicion of having dog meat in refrigerator. So may be please get facts right before arguing.
It also offers protection for "persons acting in good faith" as no suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings can be instituted against the competent authority or "any person exercising powers under this Act."
That does sound damning. What are these powers? I know villagers here have been stopping traffickers from cow smuggling since forever. What powers is this ordinance giving them is not detailed in the article. I am pretty sure killing won’t be allowed though.
How many have these 'villagers' have been convicted or even arrested. The government does a wink wink and they are released on bail and their cases buried under humongous paperwork. These is how, among other things, the government sanctions public lynchings.
The anti-cow slaughter Bill has been drafted in such a manner that cow vigilantes will be granted protection under Section 17. Interpreting the “good faith” clause means that no suit, prosecution or legal proceedings will be initiated against the vigilantes if they can prove that they committed the act in such a manner.
States with stringent laws on cow slaughter have often reported high cases of lynching by cow vigilantes. According to a report of the New York based Human Rights Watch, 44 people in India have been killed by cow vigilantes within a span of three years. The report further revealed that these radical cow protection groups often received support from politicians and law enforcement agencies.
Political and nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't do that on HN, regardless of which side you're on or how right you feel it is.
>I am doubtful if any Army officer, even if they are Sikh, will support what happened at the Red fort. Also the protests were supposed to be representative of are farmers, not just Sikh farmers. Giving it a religious angle will be detrimental to the protests.
Not sure what's the fuss. People who disrespected the flag are on the record. Police can arrest them. Why to malign the whole community?
BJP has disrespected the Indian flag so many times by flying their own party flag above the national flag.
Never said anything about red fort & army. I repeat, Nishan Sahib & Jaikaara is official war cry & flag of Sikh Regiment. Home minister, prime minister, president salutes to it in every republic day parade. Modi wears that Khanda symbol oh head when visting Gurudwaras.
Rajnath, on visit to a army post,asked a Sikh Officer to do the War Cry.
I am used to that fact. My comment doesn't oppose anyone's right to follow their religion in any way. I would have opposed the act even if the flag belonged to some other entity. And for the record, we are talking about hooliganism which has caused injuries to scores of people.
The BJP has won and lost elections that were run using EVMs. They literally won a national election and lost state elections in the same EVM run elections. Are you going to tell me about Biden supporters somehow having stolen the presidential election while losing house seats by ballot stuffing now?
I am half Sikh and many members of my family served in the Indian military, including in Sikh regiments. I would FAR prefer a BJP central government to a Congress one. Before you listen to another word of Congress propaganda, google the Delhi Sikh Riots and the role senior Congress party members like Kamal Nath played in them. The BJP may not be particularly erudite English speakers and may deliberately choose not to participate in debates at Oxford like a Shashi Tharoor might. They don’t want care to play to a western audience in that manner. But unlike the Congress they don’t put mafioso or wife killers in senior positions no matter how suave they may be.
Trump and Modi are not from the same Universe. Modi noticed Trump loves adulation and let him have all he wanted. That is just smart diplomacy.
No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban.
No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too, no denial). But Modi's rule is dictatorship.
Delhi 1984 need to be punished, by Singh's or by Government, or by people. Yes, that includes Rajiv, Indiara, Kamal Math, Everybody who was involved. #NeverForget1984
You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square. The greatest president has world's most secure elections under his rule, & fraud happened? No, he lost it. Simple. I am Democrat pro, want Sanders, but will work with Biden, because the other option was Twice Impeached Orange. Never. A lesser evil is better than bigger one.
RSS has a MBA Think Tank in Nagpur, thinking over every next move to keep the power clutched in their bloody hands forever. Its a rouse that winning every election will seem sus, so lets lose some smaller ones.
Serving in military does not give one a certificate of something. Its a profession. Nobody is forced. Its for money, just like any other profession. Teachers, Cashiers, Servers, Firefighters are equally important. Nothing morally special about being you or family in military. Millions of racist bigots work in every country's military, thinking themselves as Patriots, but infact are just racist.
Also to be clear, I’m not super pro BJP or anyone. I’m pro competence. I’m certainly not pro some of the nonsense that the various state BJP governments pull, including the past beef related hysteria.
Modi himself is not pro that nonsense as he has mentioned more than once. However, to govern he does need to create a big tent. Beef ban vs 15% of Indian women legally treated as chattel. Which battle would you prioritize?
As far as India doing better under Manmohan Singh? I like Manmohan Singh. I think if he actually had freedom to act rather than being a puppet he would have done really well. But frankly, in terms of how the country did it’s not even close. And if the Congress won again, you wouldn’t get Manmohan Singh. You’d get Rahul or Kamal Nath.
I don't understand how banning beef has anything to do with Indian women being treated as chattel.
You can prevent the latter without dictating my food habits. Also, if you're so intent on saving the cow, why is India still the world's largest exporter of beef? Because banning exports of beef will hurt the corporate masters who fund the BJP.
Exactly, many of the beef factory owners are BJP members or Supporters. It should be simple to rule, provide safety, & quality of life, but dont dictate what to eat or wear or marry or sing or dance. As long as its not a defined crime, people should be able to decide if they want to eat beef or celebrate valentine.
>You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square
So did Modi. His victory in elections was accepted by all his rivals as fair and square.
> But Modi's rule is dictatorship.
How is it a dictatorship? Modi won fair and square in an election conceded by all his rivals. If you don't like him, then vote him out. If you cannot vote him out, then you can claim to it being a dictatorship.
But you can go and vote him out. And sorry, the majority of the country not accepting your views to vote him out is democracy, not dictatorship.
You are correct that Modi won popular vote. But this one chancellor who is rather a poster child of being a bad boy won his election too. Note also the fact that only about 50% of the people exercised their vote so there is a large fraction who aren't that enthused about Modi
