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That seems to reflect my lived experience. Do bilingual people in general seem to be more intelligent? I don't think so.

But, like many other things in life, the access of even a second language in my opinion gives you another tool to use as intellectual leverage to gain greater or richer understanding to many specific domains that you would otherwise require someone else to digest the information for you.

That doesn't mean you can have the tool and immediately gain the benefits of having it. It just means that compared to someone who does not have the ability to speak a second language, you have less friction to access domains of knowledge locked behind languages other than your native tongue.

Having a second car doesn't automatically mean I travel more. But if I used that other one specifically for roadtrips, it puts me in a category of people that is far smaller than the general population or even the general population of drivers.



I have to imagine there are parallel benefits as well. Just as a Java developer will become a better Java developer by learning programming languages with other paradigms, I have to believe knowing multiple spoken languages has tangible benefits outside of understanding the language itself.


A Java developer becomes a better Java developer if they learn alternative concepts that Java doesn't empasize as much. Learning Lisp, Haskell or C is going to be useful, for example.

But a Java developer won't become a better Java developer if they learn C#, which is basically Java with different capitalization conventions.

I guess something like that happens for natural languages. You get those benefits if you actively learn new concepts. The difference of course is that you are unlikely to have done that purely by being bilingual. Many bilingual people just picked up 2+ languages as they were growing up.


A confounder in the above study could be that they counted pairs like European languages and English as two different languages when in reality they are very similar.

knowing english and german is not knowing two full languages imho. you’ll get more exposure to german culture but it’s not the same as knowing English and a slavic or asian language.


I speak French, English and Spanish. In that order.

Some concept exist in one and not the other. Addressing someone in a formal way. Addressing a group a once ( “y’all” )

But I know bits and pieces of German, Latin and Polish… those have lots of grammatical differences that force you to think about the structure of your sentence. Recognize a datif from a ablatif. That type of things. It actually help with writing correct French.

But I’m not sure it would make me “better” like learning a functional language or ASM made me a “better” developer.


I'm not so sure. Natural languages are not very much like programming languages.

When you speak a language fluently you're able to speak and understand without thinking about it. Children can be fluent with no formal training in grammar. Meanwhile, for me at least, programming is the opposite: I have to learn all the rules on a formal level and my mind can't wander while I'm programming at all.

I think the benefits of knowing more natural languages are pretty clear: the ability to speak to and understand more people. Plus the art, entertainment, and other cultural productions you get access to.


One thing bilingualism has allowed me to do is differentiate better between the words and the things the words represent. This is mostly driven by words from different languages that translate to each other, not sharing all meanings of words. Of course I cannot think of an example right now that usefully illustrates how this leads to insights. It has explicitly come up in some philosophical discussions with friends and family who were going down a path intellectually that was driven more by the language than what it represents.

IMO, your programming language comparison is somewhat similar in that even knowing multiple, similar languages allows you to differentiate between the syntax and the concepts expressed by the syntax. E.g. different ways of constructing classes and objects in different languages will make you understand the core of OOP better, similarly to different ways to loop, etc.


French being my first language, I can says the same things with fancier words in english.

But sometime I will use English turn of sentences in French and it sounds weird ( just did it a l’envers here, pretty sure “turn of sentence” does not exists in English )

I’m ok at Spanish too. My main motivation is to be able to talk to random peoples when traveling. English came de facto because of the internet and US soft power.

Not sure it makes me better at writing or speaking.


> pretty sure “turn of sentence” does not exists in English

We do say "turn of phrase" in English, which means something similar. I wonder if both have the same origin.


Ha. Silly me. It’s “tournure de phrase” in french.

It actually goes to show that my command of English is limited. I know both words but “phrase” did not occurs to me even so it’s the same damn word :)


Fwiw, we can also say fancier things in English by using some French words ;)


> pretty sure “turn of sentence” does not exists in English

Yeah, that jarred for me. We do say "turn of phrase".


“Turn of phrase” is an English idiom, but it sounds like it does not mean the same thing.


Le truc c'est qu' «une phrase» en français veut dire "a sentence" en anglais.


Oui, but I also forgot that “phrase” exists in English.

I grew to like English this way: massive corpus made of anglo-saxon plus French.


“Anglo-Saxon” is a bit of a broad term… you might describe Modern English as Mercian (an Anglian dialect), with lots of Saxon, Old Norse, and Old Norman influences. As well as other influences; I think those are the big ones.

Just to give an example of why “Anglo-Saxon” might be too broad a term—surviving Old English texts like Beowulf are in what you might call Late West Saxon, and the differences between Saxon and Anglian dialects help explain why Chaucer, who spoke something you might call Anglo-Norman, is much more accessible to modern readers.

If you want more of that Saxon influence, listen to West Country English, where it survives today.


Thanks,while typing it I was unhappy about that category but I did not know better.


You don’t think English propagation had anything to do with British colonialism?


I mean them colonizing the USA.....


The presence of English in India is pretty clearly due to the efforts of the British, not the Americans. Same thing in Australia.

Presence of English in France and Germany might be more due to Americans.


In France I would blame post ww2 soft power. The old cliché about French gents not speaking English is irrelevant for anybody under 40yo.

It’s interesting to see French word in English from the William the conqueror period, too. ( like “phrase” from above or the tired example “sheep” vs “mutton” )


One benefit if you know another language, you are more likely to have experienced living in a different culture. So you may take a more meta and critical view of the current cultural trends, not feeling as much pressure to conform.


> But, like many other things in life, the access of even a second language in my opinion gives you another tool to use as intellectual leverage to gain greater or richer understanding to many specific domains that you would otherwise require someone else to digest the information for you.

What are some of those domains, do you think?


- You can not be an effective software developer if you don't speak English (it's a second language to many of us).

- If you are interested in literature, history, philosophy or adjacent fields, reading sources in their original language is an advantage. Philosophers are more likely to be fluent in German, for instance.

- Reading news in foreign languages is often illuminating.

- Most translations are just extremely horrible. I can only understand a tiny amount of languages, but I'd rather put in the effort to read in a foreign language than suffer through bad translations.


Probably depends if your view is outside of a popular language looking in or inside a popular language looking out.

If you only speak English you probably aren't lacking access to to many fields of study. If you a one of the few who only speak Koro, you probably feel differently about to volume of knowledge available to you.


personal example, but after studying mandarin for many years, i can read original texts (like novels, non-classic poetry, and so on) without having to wait for someone to translate it first


If 'bilingualism' is expanded to include math and programming languages I would say it does effect intelligence directly.

But then again I haven't met many super-geniuses to compare against.


If “bilingualism” is expanded even further to include having wealthy parents who are legacies at Harvard, I would say it does have an effect on outcomes.


I don't get your sarcasm. How do 'wealthy parents who are legacies at Harvard' constitute a language in any form?


Ugh, you’re right. I guess they’re as orthogonal to bilingualism and spoken languages as programming languages and math are. My mistake.


Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, I highly doubt even 10% of readers understand what your trying to say.

If your not going to clarify, I'm going to move on.




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