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"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


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We don't care about any of that; we just care about HN discussions being fresh and interesting vs. tedious and boring. Generic flamewar tangents are the latter, especially when they're re-repeated as often as this one has, so please don't take threads in those directions.

If you have a substantive point to make about resale value, or something like that, that's totally fine, as long as you do it in a way that isn't flamefodder/snark/name-calling.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


which is why I made a substantive point.


"I guess you could trade it in for a real car" is not a substantive point, it's a sneering putdown - basically the same joke as https://web.archive.org/web/20190304153147/https://dilbert.c....


Who cares about upvotes/downvotes.. and I agree, Tesla is just meme hype, and for that reason I will never buy “smart” car that spies on me and my family, while these videos are shared as a joke among Tesla employees.


But it also has the great benefit that the data it collects doesn't belong to you. It belongs to tesla.


Care to elaborate?


Let's say you have a Tesla, but you didn't buy the "full" self driving package. You sell your Tesla to a third-party. Tesla (of course) resets the system to disable "full" self driving, but you have the tool to activate it so you turn it on for the new owner. Presumably you received money in exchange for the vehicle, as is traditional in our culture. You take some of that money and buy a 1958 Dodge D100 pickup truck and the Hayes Manual so you know where the spark plugs go. You use the remainder of the money to purchase a mix of mutual funds, Ford Motors stock, artwork by mediocre, yet somehow popular modern artists and maybe a crate of 2018 red wine.

In 10 years you still have the D100, though you have spent more money on spark plugs and air filters than you would have imagined possible. The Hayes manual is covered with grease stains so it is no longer re-sellable. The Ford Motors stock has (of course) tanked, but it allows you to justifiably rant on internet message boards. The artwork has appreciated and you recently sold it to a European collector for a profit. The red wine would have appreciated in value, but by this time you've drunk all of it.


Care to elaborate without this much analogy? I suspect you're trying to say the value of a Tesla ain't going to be there in 10 years, but I'm not quite sure that's true.


Step 1. Unlock the "full" self driving feature you did not purchase.

Step 2. Sell your tesla.

Step 3. Unlock the "full" self driving feature for the new owner.

Step 4. Take the money the new owner gave you and use it to purchase another vehicle.

Step 5. Profit

In this sequence of events, the value of the tesla in 10 years is of no consequence to you because you do not own it.




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