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According to people whose funding or careers depended on the program showing promise/success?



When that success and funding could only be guaranteed by delivering accurate intel product to government customers at a variety of agencies?


Is that what happened? And if intel from the magical box program was deemed correct, who determined that, and how do we know it wasn't parallel construction to improve the program's credibility, or even a tool to fabricate intel to influence a decision. (For example of the latter: "Mr. President, Black Toaster confirms the target location, but we'd have to deploy within the hour, on your order"?)


When your intelligence product customers keep ordering from you, you know you're onto a good thing.

However, if you believe parallel construction was needed, I suppose you are also acknowledging the intel was good. If you have concerns the Stargate archives are disinformation to disguise a true source, you can interrogate this belief that RV is mere parallel construction by trying it yourself. Just head over to https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing and follow the FAQ to try a session. See how you go!


I'm asking what credible evidence backs these assertions of success.

I'm also noting some reasons that we should be skeptical, based on realities that we do know have happened in other matters, including among the broad parties involved here.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Extraordinary conservatism leads to extraordinary ignorance, which we can see in your responses. This is not a personal attack on you, just an expected consequence of how you are hampered assessing evidence by your priors. You will not see evidence even if shown to you, and demand more pretending there's no evidence or it's insufficient, which is no reflection of the evidence, as your assessment is simply blinded by your priors.

It's simply confirmation bias in action: you already replied to a thread where evidence of long funded successful program was presented, but were blinded to it. Nothing to be ashamed of, and understandable - but I need to point it out.

I think you're open and curious - so I'm helping you. Go try for yourself (that's the way to change the prior data you have), and then a whole world of new perspective will open up for you: https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing

There's no other cure for the malady that plagues you - you'll keep inventing problems with new data endlessly to protect your existing data (which is merely insufficient), a behavior which if you stopped to think about it - I really wish you would - you'd realize is an abuse of the people who are talking with you and of the data they show you - the only way for you, or any plagued by this, to cure yourselves is to get first hand experience yourself.

As I've posted the above a couple of times did you have a chance to try it yet? How did it go?


> if you believe parallel construction was needed, I suppose you are also acknowledging the intel was good.

No. It says if the information was good (which we don’t know) it can still be explained by the program being a facade to launder sources and it wouldn’t be a proof of RV working.

> Just head over to https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing and follow the FAQ to try a session. See how you go!

I would rather read a proper experiment with controls published in a peer reviewed journal. If it works it can’t be hard to demonstrate that in a rigorous manner.


Hahah, more likely that to save admitting RV was real they'd need parallel construction to launder the RV data. But I applaud your inventive fantasy gymnastics in protecting your prior beliefs from the dangerous ideas of psi/RV.

> I would rather read a proper experiment with controls published in a peer reviewed journal. If it works it can’t be hard to demonstrate that in a rigorous manner.

Do so but only after you try for yourself. The reason is laid out clearly in my just now cousin comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42723354

A reminder to all here, please don't keep arguing sans experience, when that's the key thing to inform you. Just get the experience, and report back if you care to share! :)


If it worked, you could hypothetically find a webcam in a known location and rip the stream.

Without watching the stream as it is being ripped, you would do your remote viewing thing.

Do that for a period of time, making notes and timestamps. Then, go back and compare the notes against the stream.

The fact that something so monumentally earthshaking to our knowledge of physics/biology/etc. has not had anyone do this very simple exercise in our modern era suggests it is charitably self-delusion, and uncharitably intentionally propagated bunk and hokum.

You kids get off my lawn!

Yes, I am fun at parties.


Hahaha! This is quite inventive fantasy gymnastics to protect your apparent "prior beliefs" that psi/RV is impossible based on humanity's clearly "Godlike" command of all reality and the laws that govern it. Hahaha :)

However, I sense your deception - you actually believe this is real and have some experience (tho maybe difficult for you to process?)

So in light of that, your inventive fantasy was merely for sport. How without morals! Don't you know that new (in this environment) ideas like this should be protected and nurtured? Sure, takes some cojones to do so, but I see you are no retiring wallflower when it comes to enduring social ostracism, so why not channel your courageous individualism into something actually good (and true!), huh?

That said, your experiment is actually a great idea. I suggest you ask it as a question at: https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing

If inclined you could even construct an app to run these types of targets. There are a few RV apps that do daily practice, but your idea is new.

And please, unless you are too arrogant that you already know all about that, try for yourself by following the "Introduction" ( https://www.reddit.com/r/remoteviewing/comments/184cl9k/star... ) and going to the beginner's guide link in the "How can I try it out?" section of that.

I believe they also have regular public targets, so you could try that too. I have a feeling you'd actually be really good at this. I'd love to hear if you tried and posted back here :)




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