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Once again, we see the terrible effects of there being not enough technical talent here in the United States.

As we are constantly told by the VCs and large tech firms, we need to open up the green card immigration program to allow developers in who will do the jobs that Americans just won't do. Like, for example, being a full stack web developer who does QA, customer support and data scrubbing for 12 bucks an hour while living in one of America's most expensive cities.

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I do agree with you, but to be fair, this is only a single post, likely from some company that either has no idea what they're doing or is deliberately interested in exploiting someone in desperate need of a job.


They clearly know what they are doing. They definitely need people with prolog experience


I'm pretty sure nobody who fits a quarter of their qualifications is in desperate need of a job.

Of course, this is almost certainly a situation where the person writing the job description has absolutely no idea what they actually need so they took a very bizarre shotgun approach.


If you look at their web sites, they're clearly used to crappy developers so they'll think this is the norm.


I've always wondered if you respond and say "Well I could do this for you but it would be $87.50 an hour." if they would respond. A friend of mine who ran a consulting business would do something like that and picked up a few gigs that way.


I tried this on RentACoder a few times. Response was either <crickets> or a polite "no, thank you." I usually only responded to EE hardware or firmware gigs.


Same shit different country (Ireland)... this is very much an international problem, and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO.


> and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO.

I wouldn't know, I can't even get an entry level gig.


If you don't mind me asking, where are you located and what is your general skill set? Do you do web dev? Are you self taught?


Follow his profile, you'll end up here

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Think we have it in Aussie, the 417 ? visa, whereby you can undercut locals with very, very shit talent. These guys should hit them up.


I get you're being sarcastic, but I've heard that immigration doesn't actually have an deliberate effect on wages.


H1B isn't like normal immigration in its effects on wages. They do come over here, but they are at the mercy of their employer to stay. This makes it so the employee can be far more abused (paid lower, working far more hours in worse conditions, ect.). A legal immigrant may be willing to work for a bit less, but since they are able to seek another job without being kicked out, they would have little effect if any on wages. An H1B can't fight and either has to take it or leave and be replaced by someone who is willing to be exploited. Thus they have a far great impact on lowering wages.

There are protections under the law that are susposed to prevent this but they are wildly ineffective.


The H1B that is mostly talked about when it comes to IT jobs and imimgration requires companies to pay at least the prevailing wage for the area in question.

So on average, it should either have wages stay the same OR raise them a tiny bit


The prevailing wage necessarily goes down when the labor supply is increased. This is literally learned on Day 1 of Introduction to Microeconomics.


They are talking about a free market. This is heavily government regulated.


On what day of class do they prove that "Microeconomics" is a Science? Would you care to demonstrate that?

I'm just asking because you're making an appeal to something in that argument, and I'm curious if you're appealing to a serious scientific field of study, or something passing for one.

Karl Popper said falsifiability is an essential feature of any scientific theory, so it's not weird to ask for a falsifiable statement from "Microeconomics" so that we can tell whether it's a scientific theory.

Mind you, I don't disagree with your conclusion that prevailing wages go down when labor supply is increased. What I am asking is whether "Microeconomics" is a science.


In theory this works. In practice, jobs are misclassified and the relationship is otherwise abused in the employer's favor.




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